Illegal Immigration Is Horrible for the African-American Community, So Why Support It?

[theworldismine13]

Why should it be a top priority for Black people?

a couple of reasons

because it effects black wages since black people have the lowest educations levels and lowest skills

it weakens black political power and puts black people as the 3rd biggest demographic group

eventually it will lead to a situation were black people are outnumbered and out gunned by 2 white supremacist groups (as opposed to just 1)

some immigration is good, especially if its immigration from africa or the caribbean, but black people should oppose massive immigration from latin america because of the long term geo political and economic ramifications

you have to keep in mind that our goal should be domination

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Everyone can't have a desirable job. But it's better to have an undesirable job than no job

It wasn't long ago that white people were migrant farmers

right, but black folks haven't been lining up for those jobs since sharecropping and the mass migrations to the cities...i'm all for protecting undesirable jobs for my people if my people actually gave a fukk about them and/or were trying to get them. sorry, but most folks are looking at wage jobs - retail, fast food, other low skill service - or hoping to come up with a government or UPS gig. i'm just not seeing the mass amount of jobs black people are losing when they were there for the taking and we rejected them in favor of welfare and illegitimate occupations.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

napoleon @ThreeLetterAgency

i have that dude on ignore for a reason, i mean you really quoted your source as someone who's in the running for WOAT in 4-5 subforums

 

[theworldismine13]

i have that dude on ignore for a reason, i mean you really quited your source as someone who's in the running for WOAT in 4-5 subforums

Nap's post when it comes to illegal immigration are

 

[ogc163]

a couple of reasons

because it effects black wages since black people have the lowest educations levels and lowest skills

it weakens black political power and puts black people as the 3rd biggest demographic group

eventually it will lead to a situation were black people are outnumbered and out gunned by 2 white supremacist groups (as opposed to just 1)

some immigration is good, especially if its immigration from africa or the caribbean, but black people should oppose massive immigration from latin america because of the long term geo political and economic ramifications

1.We disagree on the importance of the impact illegal immigration has on Black wages, less than 5% in the long run does not strike me as substantial.

2. Black political power has not changed significantly over the last several decades, primarily because of where Black people live and their vote does not have to be fought for.

3.The other groups who make up 40% of illegal immigration aside from Hispanics also harbor negative feelings and attitudes towards Blacks, prospects of being outnumbered seems inevitable given the circumstances. I should also point out that the attitudes are probably shared by many legal immigrants as well, so if white supremacy is at issue, again it seems like a battle already lost.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

right, but black folks haven't been lining up for those jobs since sharecropping and the mass migrations to the cities...i'm all for protecting undesirable jobs for my people if my people actually gave a fukk about them and/or were trying to get them. sorry, but most folks are looking at wage jobs - retail, fast food, other low skill service - or hoping to come up with a government or UPS gig. i'm just not seeing the mass amount of jobs black people are losing when they were there for the taking and we rejected them in favor of welfare and illegitimate occupations.

This speaks more to a failure of the welfare system than anything. And that issue started long before the illegal immigration problem.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Even if every illegal in the country is occupying a job a black person could be in, that's still a small fraction of black folks effected. You reduce the minimum wage and almost all black people would be negatively effected.

Da hell

There are like 8 million working illegal immigrants in the country. There are 38 million black people... probably about half of whom are working. You don't think black people would be better off with 8 million more available jobs

That only proves my point. For every one that leaves another comes to fill that spot.


And It's not the deportations that are making it a net zero. It's the fact that there's less illegal immigration to the country. And why is there less illegal immigration these day? It's cause they have less incentive to come here. Job opportunities are down here, while they are goind up in Mexico. So it stands to reason that we should concentrate on removing incentive if we want to reduce illegal immigration I.E. Aggressively prosecute employers


I also find it curious that here you pretend illegal immigrants only come from Mexico.

And you wonder why people say yalls opinion is based on racism

So shyt like sanctuary cities, drivers licenses and other benefits that have nothing to do with employment aren't incentives?

And yea, illegal immigrants come from all over. But the majority of them come from Mexico because it's geographically easy. If that's wrong, prove it. shyt has nothing to do with racism. That is a cop out pro amnesty folks hide behind when they run out of legitimate points to make.

 

[theworldismine13]

1.We disagree on the importance of the impact illegal immigration has on Black wages, less than 5% in the long run does not strike me as substantial.

2. Black political power has not changed significantly over the last several decades, primarily because of where Black people live and their vote does not have to be fought for.

3.The other groups who make up 40% of illegal immigration aside from Hispanics also harbor negative feelings and attitudes towards Blacks, prospects of being outnumbered seems inevitable given the circumstances. I should also point out that the attitudes are probably shared by many legal immigrants as well, so if white supremacy is at issue, again it seems like a battle already lost.

1. I am totally stunned and flabbergasted that you think a long term 5% percent decline in wages of the group with the lowest wealth in the country is not important, that is nutty

2. black political power has not changed significantly because black wealth has not changed significantly

3. you mean beef between AA and caribbean and africans? yeah it exists but a lot of it is corny, i dont think there is any long term significance of friction between different black groups

black people have definitely lost and a lot of black people dont even realize how badly we lost and are losing, but there are many battles ahead and if black people dont pay attention to immigration we will lose more battles

this simple minded naive notion that illegal immigration is some kind social justice issue with poor brown people trying to get jobs are not seeing the big picture and are just playing checkers

i think this article Chasing millennials and profits, Univision restructures and lays off at least 200 is an example of how there were chess moves being played that would have left black people in the dust, black people are actually lucky hillary lost, we dodged a huge geopolitical bullet

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@ogc163 @dora_da_destroyer how do you guys think amnesty will benefit black people? IMO at this stage in the game we can't worry about anyone else.

 

[ogc163]

1. I am totally stunned and flabbergasted that you think a long term 5% percent decline in wages of the group with the lowest wealth in the country is not important, that is nutty

2. black political power has not changed significantly because black wealth has not changed significantly

3. you mean beef between AA and caribbean and africans? yeah it exists but a lot of it is corny, i dont think there is any long term significance of friction between different black groups

black people have definitely lost and a lot of black people dont even realize how badly we lost and are losing, but there are many battles ahead and if black people dont pay attention to immigration we will lose more battles

this simple minded naive notion that illegal immigration is some kind social justice issue with poor brown people trying to get jobs are not seeing the big picture and are just playing checkers

i think this article Chasing millennials and profits, Univision restructures and lays off at least 200 is an example of how there were chess moves being played that would have left black people in the dust, black people are actually lucky hillary lost, we dodged a huge geopolitical bullet

1.A 5% decline in wages in the long run is small, you can point to a variety of taxes that impact wages more than 5% over the long run, hell inflation itself trumps that 5% impact in the long run. It sure as hell is not large enough to warrant Black people putting illegal immigration at the top of their priorities

2. No I mean illegal immigrants from Asia.

I don't think immigration is that important an issue, illegal or legal. The data shows it is a net positive, the economic profession overwhelmingly supports illegal and legal immigration. The people who are against it either engage in some form of moral grandstanding (my people came here legally, why can't they?!) or have ideas about some future political struggle with Hispanics. The arguments I consistently see on here are not moving me at all.

 

[ogc163]

@ogc163 @dora_da_destroyer how do you guys think amnesty will benefit black people? IMO at this stage in the game we can't worry about anyone else.

I don't give a fukk about amnesty. I honestly don't care that much about illegal immigration in general. My issue with TWISM and Nap is their overarching idea that illegal immigrations impact on the Black community is being trivialized and ignored. Consistently citing clowns like George Borjas who is seen as a nutjob amongst his peers in relation to immigration economics. Borjas essentially has his arguments based in neo-merchantalism/protectionism but in relation to immigration. I can't take the anti-immigration economic arguments seriously if his work is the best they've got.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't give a fukk about amnesty. I honestly don't care that much about illegal immigration in general. My issue with TWISM and Nap is their overarching idea that illegal immigrations impact on the Black community is being trivialized and ignored. Consistently citing clowns like George Borjas who is seen as a nutjob amongst his peers in relation to immigration economics. Borjas essentially has his arguments based in neo-merchantalism/protectionism but in relation to immigration. I can't take the anti-immigration economic arguments seriously if his work is the best they've got.

Fair enough

 

[theworldismine13]

1.A 5% decline in wages in the long run is small, you can point to a variety of taxes that impact wages more than 5% over the long run, hell inflation itself trumps that 5% impact in the long run. It sure as hell is not large enough to warrant Black people putting illegal immigration at the top of their priorities

2. No I mean illegal immigrants from Asia.

I don't think immigration is that important an issue, illegal or legal. The data shows it is a net positive, the economic profession overwhelmingly supports illegal and legal immigration. The people who are against it either engage in some form of moral grandstanding (my people came here legally, why can't they?!) or have ideas about some future political struggle with Hispanics. The arguments I consistently see on here are not moving me at all.

1. i think you are smoking crack, 5% is huge, that is wage stagnation, that is a huge economic threat to black people

2. asian immigration is not an issue, currently, they are still to small of a group

3. yeah, like i said there are geopolitical reasons why black people should be concerned about immigration on top of the economic ones. If you stick to the claim that 5% long term decline is no big deal then yeah, nothing is gonna move you. It is totally correct that immigration is a wash to the overall economy. To an economist a 5% wage decline amongst 13% of the population is not a big deal, especially if its combined with an overall growth to the economy and a wage increase amongst other groups. But to the 13% experiencing the 5% decline it is a big deal and that is why the people in the 13% should not listen to an economist saying its not a big deal, and an economist cannot give you advice on the political and geopolitical ramifications of massive latin american immigration, there is definitely a political struggle that will happen and its important that black people end up on top

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't give a fukk about amnesty. I honestly don't care that much about illegal immigration in general. My issue with TWISM and Nap is their overarching idea that illegal immigrations impact on the Black community is being trivialized and ignored. Consistently citing clowns like George Borjas who is seen as a nutjob amongst his peers in relation to immigration economics. Borjas essentially has his arguments based in neo-merchantalism/protectionism but in relation to immigration. I can't take the anti-immigration economic arguments seriously if his work is the best they've got.

the link you cited was from borjas and borjas isnt disputing anything you said, he agrees that overall the wage impact of immigration is minimal and it expands the economy

but borjas correctly says immigration is a political issue, how you interpret the numbers depends on your political stance, but nobody is disputing the numbers, nobody disputes the wage suppression of certain
groups, wage increases amongst others and the economic expansion cause by immigration

it comes down to the question do you care about a 5% decrease amongst low skilled workers, if you dont care then you should be for or neutral about immigration, if you do care then you should be against, that is essentially borjas' position, i posted a video of one his lectures a while back

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

@ogc163 @dora_da_destroyer how do you guys think amnesty will benefit black people? IMO at this stage in the game we can't worry about anyone else.

I don't and I don't support it, but not for the economic talking points. More so concerned with further decreasing our political power - which is already low.