in the early 90's if you weren't street/thug/calling women bytches, you weren't popping -Kid N Play

[IllmaticDelta]

Agree or disagree?

from another thread

some of you cats have some foggy memories of hip hop and when the culture changed and never went back to that PG-PG13 era

kid n play's UNSUNG episode details it best: for those of you too lazy to watch;
they talk about how in the early 90's if you weren't street/thug/calling women bytches, you weren't popping, you were old and corny (TIME STAMPED):



now...yall gonna disagree with muthafukkas that were right there in the middle of all the shyt?

some responses

early 90s.. cats were more lyrical, if anything.. Kid N Play, were never lyrical/had bars..

they were a dance group/niche act.. of course their run was numbered, from the jump.. not to mention, hip-hop was more lyrical in the early 90s.. not gangsta rap..

why are you posting all these niche acts, first & foremost..

1995.. lets see.. OB4CL, Liquid Swordz, Soul Food, Do You Want More..?, Poverty's Paradsise, Coast II Coast, Labcabincalifornia, Sittin On Chrome, The Show OST... ODBs album.. Goodfellaz..

hip hop was still, very lyrical.. matter of fact, there was actually more of a balance at that time, than i can remember..

if you were around back then.. im sure you wouldnt have to rely on video clips of niche acts, to attempt to re-affirm anything.. whats next.. you gonna post a clip of Fat Boys, saying something about how hip-hop changed in the 90s..?

i also just realized, you said ATCQ was around in the 80s.. they didnt drop until 1st quarter of 90.. im just going to conclude you have no idea wtf you're even talking about..

1) "niche" acts? all of hip hop were "niche" acts in the 80's

2) first off all i BOLDED and specifically said THE ONES SELLING RECORDS/MAKING $$$
the top hip hop artists of 1995 was Bone and Pac; I never said that lyrical hip hop was DEAD, i said it wasn't making that $$$ - I own all of Mos Def/Talib/Rawkus compilation albums

3) That's my bad, I thought that Bonita applebaum dropped in '88-89 - honest mistake...funny though, when i used the example of the Native Tongues movement you're silent.
you've been waiting on my to slip up so you can pounce? really? that's how you debate?

all those acts i named.. were making money.. they were touring regularly, and doing some of the biggest shows back then.. again.. you werent around like that..

all 80s acts were not "niche".. Run-DMC, BDP, Eric B & Rakim, LL.. were far from niche.. thats absurd to even put those dudes in the same discussion as Kid & Play, or Kwane..

Native Tongues werent around in the 80s.. the met & formed, in the early 90s..

look.. you just dont know what youre talking about, man.. @ someone who has time to go back & forth with you, about something you clearly have no real grasp about..

na...they're exaggerating to make a point. Again, most HIpHop in theearly 90's wasn't gangsta rap. Kid N Play might have seem corny at that time because they were somewhat of a HipHop + dance, novelty act. They were seen as corny in the way many saw Hammer, Tone Loc and Vanilla Ice as corny.

Ok. So why the fukk did so many NON gangsta rap hip hop succeed then? nikka u had Tribe. De La. Digible Planets. Das Efx. Lord Of The Underground. The Pharcyde. Souls Of Mischief. Pete Rock and CL Smooth. Gangstarr. Bran Nubian. Busta Rhymes, Common Sense. Queen Latifah. Arrested Development. Rakim. LL Cool J. KRS One. Heavy D. And the list goes on and on. All managed to make noise and succeed in the 90s. It's a full of shyt excuse for certain acts who got looked at as corny eventually. And Kid N Play ended up being more liked for their movies than their music.

alright, let's look at some hiphop from the early 90's and see how much was "Gangsta" or albums that didn't pop because they were "gangsta"

Top 40 Hip Hop Albums 1991 - Hip Hop Golden Age

Top 40 Hip Hop Albums 1992 - Hip Hop Golden Age

Top 40 Hip Hop Albums 1993 - Hip Hop Golden Age

Top 40 Hip Hop Albums 1994 - Hip Hop Golden Age

^^ the majority of that isn't gangsta by any means....alot of it is even alternative and was poppin

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Ehhh...not when father mc, heavy d, kid n play themselves, hammer, vanilla ice, digital underground, etc all had pretty strong careers until like 93...I mean kid n play was still putting out effing movies. Yea "gangster" rap seemed like the biggest shyt but like another post you already quoted said...you also have the whole native tongues and Afrocentric rappers poppin too.

So yea, I disagree

 

[kingofnyc]

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Kid n play is just making excuses for being underachivers

A few good singles ...but they weren't album orientated and lacked the star power of HAMMER and WILL SMITH whom didn't call women b1tches but still were Popping

 

[Booker T Garvey]

what's funny is that i just watched "THE DEFIANT ONES" and they talk about this from the flip side

in 1991 (the same year KNP dropped their third album) this album was the #1 album in the country - not just hip hop, but overall

they showed the news clippings, and people being shocked at the content etc etc...

but here we are now, some 26 years later, and all of this just.....never happened. all a figment of peoples imaginations.

there is just absolutely no way that hip hop shifted in another direction and peoples tastes changed

nah...it's just that kid n play sucked.

 

[Sauce Dab]

This looks like it struck a nerve with 90's hip hop dustheads

 

[Flav]

Wile NWA and the West Coast was poppin I was also bumping this type of rap at that time...











You didn't have to be MR GANGSTA KILLA you just had to show a dope ass rap style that attracted HipHop heads.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Wile NWA and the West Coast was poppin I was also bumping this type of rap at that time...











You didn't have to be MR GANGSTA KILLA you just had to show a dope ass rap style that attracted HipHop heads.

^^^^ and all of them flopped.

now before you clear your counter and threaten to kill me...I remember all of this coming on BET, and I liked it too

but go back to what Kwame' said in the video - he said if you wasn't on that bullshyt in so many words, YOU WASN'T POPPIN'

he didn't say you didn't exist or you didn't have a record deal - labels were already invested in these artists and had them under contract

but i can pretty much assure you that when all of these artists contracts were up - they didn't get renewed and got replaced by rappers that were "poppin'"

 

[Flav]

^^^^ and all of them flopped.

now before you clear your counter and threaten to kill me...I remember all of this coming on BET, and I liked it too

but go back to what Kwame' said in the video - he said if you wasn't on that bullshyt in so many words, YOU WASN'T POPPIN'

he didn't say you didn't exist or you didn't have a record deal - labels were already invested in these artists and had them under contract

but i can pretty much assure you that when all of these artists contracts were up - they didn't get renewed and got replaced by rappers that were "poppin'"

You are right though. The gangsta image did take over something serious! I hated when I started seeing and hearing New York rappers videos with Lowriders that shyt erked my damn nerves. You could tell that shyt was forced for record sales.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

here is KOOL MOE DEE pretty much echoing what happened to hip hop from the late 80's to early 90's (TIME STAMPED)...



countdown before another coli poster says that kool moe dee doesn't know what he's talking about

 

[hustlemania]

why are yall entertaining a poster, who WASNT AROUND THEN..?

dude is a clown.. NOBODY was concerned about record sales back then.. and, i mean.. NOBODY..

everyones posting clear examples, of what was popping back then.. but, yall are still entertaining this buffoon who wasnt even around to know anything..

dude thought Tribe was from the 80s.. and, yall still discussing sh!t with this clown..

 

[avon barksdale]

 

[Booker T Garvey]

why are yall entertaining a poster, who WASNT AROUND THEN..?

dude is a clown.. NOBODY was concerned about record sales back then.. and, i mean.. NOBODY..

everyones posting clear examples, of what was popping back then.. but, yall are still entertaining this buffoon who wasnt even around to know anything..

dude thought Tribe was from the 80s.. and, yall still discussing sh!t with this clown..

are you hyperventilating over there? I said repeatedly that i thought bonita applebaum came out in 1989 and it came out in 1990.

my mistake, i'm not running from it

but you mean to tell me my whole argument is off because of that one mishap? really fam?

and let's keep it 100, I haven't even come at you on some disrespectful shyt but you're following me around with THIS? really?

you also haven't addressed the content in the actual video - forget me for a second and address what kwame, and Kid said in the video, can you do that!?

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Kid N play maxed out tho.

 

[hustlemania]

are you hyperventilating over there? I said repeatedly that i thought bonita applebaum came out in 1989 and it came out in 1990.

my mistake, i'm not running from it

but you mean to tell me my whole argument is off because of that one mishap? really fam?

and let's keep it 100, I haven't even come at you on some disrespectful shyt but you're following me around with THIS? really?

you also haven't addressed the content in the actual video - forget me for a second and address what kwame, and Kid said in the video, can you do that!?

why would i be mad, at a clown..

@IllmaticDelta tagged me in here.. why the fukk would i follow YOU, or anyone around who dont know shyt about hip-hop..?

i already addressed what he said.. so have others.. you just cant comprehend what was going on, and rely on hearsay of niche artists.. because.. YOU WERENT AROUND BACK THEN..

lets just settle this.. how old were you in 1991..? actually.. dont even bother answering.. because your timelines all fukked up.. you dont even know when Native Tongues even formed.. you thought Tribe was aound in the 80s.. and, had no clue of what was poppin in '95..

you a fraud.. its really that simple.. take it as you may.. again.. YOU WASNT AROUND BACK THEN..