In this day & age of tech, why isn't there an option to vote in elections/primaries online?

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:ohhh: I randomly think about this from time-to-time. I don't understand why voting online isn't a thing in 2018 in this day & age of technology & the internet. Guaranteed there would be higher voter turnout in in primaries & elections if voters had the option to vote from the comfort of their homes instead of going out of their way to wait in a long-ass line.
 

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I've wondered this myself
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I don’t think there’s anyway to do this that isn’t subject to widespread fraud and corruption.
We put a man on the moon — that’s right the world is flat.

So japan can launch a rocket towards an asteroid 10 years before it lands but this country can’t build a voting machine that cannot get hacked? Bruh, if that’s what you believe that’s what you believe.
 
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We put a man on the moon — that’s right the world is flat.

So japan can launch a rocket towards an asteroid 10 years before it lands but this country can’t build a voting machine that cannot get hacked? Bruh, if that’s what you believe that’s what you believe.


Perhaps there was a miscommunication between the OP, my post, and your post. OP asked about online voting in elections. I took that to mean voting from a home computer or phone or someotner personal device connected to the internet. Given the constant large scale security issues with large scale organizations and storing sensitive data and the massive target that would become, i don’t think it’s feasible.

Now let’s go to your statement. You mention a voting machine that can’t get hacked. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by this? I wasn’t referring to the electronic machines many polling places in the United States use. I was referring to the personal digital devices and personal identifying information that is constantly under attack. Can you point me to some literature about the feasibility of making these personal devices so that they can’t be hacked? Or are you saying the government should issue personal devices for online voting, that are only available for online voting?
 

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Estonia's been doing it since 2005

i-Voting — e-Estonia

But like others said, it's not necessarily in the interest of those in power to have more people voting.

To be fair, it probably only works in Estonia because nobody cares enough about their elections to cheat. :skip:


We put a man on the moon — that’s right the world is flat.

So japan can launch a rocket towards an asteroid 10 years before it lands but this country can’t build a voting machine that cannot get hacked? Bruh, if that’s what you believe that’s what you believe.

It's not that simple. And I'm a network engineer so I'd think I have a pretty good grasp of it.

Saying we could "Build a voting machine that cannot be hacked" is an extreme oversimplification when you're talking about hundreds of millions of people spread all over the globe. It would have to be some huge datacenter with hundreds or thousands of servers and would be the world's biggest target for hackers.


Imagine I just wanted to let people vote for the Michigan governor election next month online.

1. How exactly do I ensure that only people that live in Michigan vote in the election? Going by IP address would be laughable considering how easy it would be for somebody outside of the state to hop on a proxy server. But at the same time there would be legitimate residents that are out of town and want to vote online. How exactly do you manage that and not have tons of fraud?

2. How do you make sure everybody only votes once? If know my uncle doesn't vote, what's to stop me from going online and using his name to vote for who I want? What's to stop me from using the names of homeless peopleto vote? What about people that are underage voting for their parents? What if the same person tries to vote twice or more from different computers, how are you going to figure out which vote is legit? Have pollsters visit everybody's house?

3. The risk of hacking can't be understated either, and not just by Russia. What's to stop a Republican hacker from launching DDOS attacks in Democratic areas to stop people from being able to vote? Or simply writing scripts to hack people's computers and vote for them? Even if the the voting servers themselves couldn't be hacked there's NO way to stop everybody's computer from being hacked.


I wish it wasn't true, but in reality online voting just wouldn't work, there's no way the results would be trustworthy. Saying "we put a man on the moon" doesn't mean anything, the moon is further away but the logistics of sending someone there are way simpler and there are way fewer people involved.
 

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Dozens of countiries already do it i thought

I think Estonia is the only country that has full online voting. Some other countries are piloting it but it's not widespread yet.

Internet Voting

The first use of Internet voting for a binding political election took place in the US in 2000, with more countries subsequently beginning to conduct trials of and/or use Internet voting. A total of 14 countries have now used remote Internet voting for binding political elections or referenda. Within the group of Internet voting system users, four core countries have been using Internet voting over the course of several elections/referenda: Canada, Estonia, France and Switzerland. Estonia is the only country to offer Internet voting to the entire electorate. The remaining ten countries have either just adopted it, are currently piloting Internet voting, have piloted it and not pursued its further use, or have discontinued its use.

Examples of Internet voting in other countries around the world vary widely in scope and functionality. The early cases of Internet voting were less technically advanced than those being developed more recently. Many of the changes seen in Internet voting systems have been aimed at improving the quality of elections delivered by these systems and meeting emerging standards for electronic voting.

It is fair to say that Internet voting is not a commonly used means of voting. Of the 14 countries that have so far used it in any form, only ten currently have expressed any intention of using it in the future. However, Internet voting is a relatively new voting technology and has been developing significantly over the previous ten years. Internet voting seems to fit, for many countries, a niche corner of the electoral process. It is largely targeted at those who cannot attend their polling station in person on Election Day. In fact many more countries have expressed or shown an interest in the use of Internet voting, especially when they have large numbers of expatriate voters. However, the implementation of Internet voting, according to emerging standards, is a very technical exercise. It can also pose some difficult political questions if the aim is to facilitate the inclusion of large numbers of expatriate citizens in the political process.
 

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People saying that it would be easy to hack/cheat seem to be ignoring that it already happens with the current system. Hacking/Fraud/etc. a concern but I don't think it's the motivation.

Why is North Dakota the only state that doesn't require voter registration?
Why is voting done on a weekday when it most people are at work?
Why are non-violent felons banned from voting in some states?

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