In this day & age of tech, why isn't there an option to vote in elections/primaries online?

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To be fair, it probably only works in Estonia because nobody cares enough about their elections to cheat. :skip:




It's not that simple. And I'm a network engineer so I'd think I have a pretty good grasp of it.

Saying we could "Build a voting machine that cannot be hacked" is an extreme oversimplification when you're talking about hundreds of millions of people spread all over the globe. It would have to be some huge datacenter with hundreds or thousands of servers and would be the world's biggest target for hackers.


Imagine I just wanted to let people vote for the Michigan governor election next month online.

1. How exactly do I ensure that only people that live in Michigan vote in the election? Going by IP address would be laughable considering how easy it would be for somebody outside of the state to hop on a proxy server. But at the same time there would be legitimate residents that are out of town and want to vote online. How exactly do you manage that and not have tons of fraud?

2. How do you make sure everybody only votes once? If know my uncle doesn't vote, what's to stop me from going online and using his name to vote for who I want? What's to stop me from using the names of homeless peopleto vote? What about people that are underage voting for their parents? What if the same person tries to vote twice or more from different computers, how are you going to figure out which vote is legit? Have pollsters visit everybody's house?

3. The risk of hacking can't be understated either, and not just by Russia. What's to stop a Republican hacker from launching DDOS attacks in Democratic areas to stop people from being able to vote? Or simply writing scripts to hack people's computers and vote for them? Even if the the voting servers themselves couldn't be hacked there's NO way to stop everybody's computer from being hacked.


I wish it wasn't true, but in reality online voting just wouldn't work, there's no way the results would be trustworthy. Saying "we put a man on the moon" doesn't mean anything, the moon is further away but the logistics of sending someone there are way simpler and there are way fewer people involved.

To point 1 and 2 if you only make online voting available on smartphones and require fingerprints and facial recognition to confirm your identity for each vote then you can cross reference that person's identity with the address where they're registered to make sure they're only voting once in the correct district. You'd need a national database of voters so that no one could register at multiple addresses with a system set up to verify changes of address to remove old registrations when someone needs to register at a new address.

Providing this data would be optional and only required if you want to register for online voting. Other voting options would remain in place until 100% of registered voters agreed to participate.

It wouldn't be perfect but neither is our current system.
 

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To be fair, it probably only works in Estonia because nobody cares enough about their elections to cheat. :skip:

Estonia is a EU member, shares a border with Russia, and has a large russian population. Trust that people in office care, it's just not in the newspapers.

The thing is that they have heavily invesed (public investment) in e-everything since the 2000s, so their networks are most probably very sure. But it's easier to hold the "it's not possible" narrative :yeshrug:
 

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To be fair, it probably only works in Estonia because nobody cares enough about their elections to cheat. :skip:




It's not that simple. And I'm a network engineer so I'd think I have a pretty good grasp of it.

Saying we could "Build a voting machine that cannot be hacked" is an extreme oversimplification when you're talking about hundreds of millions of people spread all over the globe. It would have to be some huge datacenter with hundreds or thousands of servers and would be the world's biggest target for hackers.


Imagine I just wanted to let people vote for the Michigan governor election next month online.

1. How exactly do I ensure that only people that live in Michigan vote in the election? Going by IP address would be laughable considering how easy it would be for somebody outside of the state to hop on a proxy server. But at the same time there would be legitimate residents that are out of town and want to vote online. How exactly do you manage that and not have tons of fraud?

2. How do you make sure everybody only votes once? If know my uncle doesn't vote, what's to stop me from going online and using his name to vote for who I want? What's to stop me from using the names of homeless peopleto vote? What about people that are underage voting for their parents? What if the same person tries to vote twice or more from different computers, how are you going to figure out which vote is legit? Have pollsters visit everybody's house?


3. The risk of hacking can't be understated either, and not just by Russia. What's to stop a Republican hacker from launching DDOS attacks in Democratic areas to stop people from being able to vote? Or simply writing scripts to hack people's computers and vote for them? Even if the the voting servers themselves couldn't be hacked there's NO way to stop everybody's computer from being hacked.


I wish it wasn't true, but in reality online voting just wouldn't work, there's no way the results would be trustworthy. Saying "we put a man on the moon" doesn't mean anything, the moon is further away but the logistics of sending someone there are way simpler and there are way fewer people involved.


:dwillhuh: I don't understand your first 2 concerns. When you vote on election day, you login into your account that you signed up for when you previously registered to vote. Simple. Obviously when you register to vote online you're gonna have to provide Proof of Residence, SS#, Driver's License/State ID, & etc.
 

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Plot twist:

With a fully online system it would be easier to determine voter fraud.


It really wouldn't though.
:dwillhuh: I don't understand your first 2 concerns. When you vote on election day, you login into your account that you signed up for when you previously registered to vote. Simple. Obviously when you register to vote online you're gonna have to provide Proof of Residence, SS#, Driver's License/State ID, & etc.

And what's to stop me from gathering up usernames and passwords from all my family members who don't vote and voting for them on election day? Or paying people to give me their info?
 

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It really wouldn't though.


And what's to stop me from gathering up usernames and passwords from all my family members who don't vote and voting for them on election day? Or paying people to give me their info?

To point 1 and 2 if you only make online voting available on smartphones and require fingerprints and facial recognition to confirm your identity for each vote then you can cross reference that person's identity with the address where they're registered to make sure they're only voting once in the correct district. You'd need a national database of voters so that no one could register at multiple addresses with a system set up to verify changes of address to remove old registrations when someone needs to register at a new address.

Providing this data would be optional and only required if you want to register for online voting. Other voting options would remain in place until 100% of registered voters agreed to participate.

It wouldn't be perfect but neither is our current system.
 

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I've wondered this myself
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a more legit question for our oft confused friend would be about why isnt election day a national holiday (and why do some politicians try so hard to prevent people from voting, but we already know that answer :mjpls: )

shyt would get hacked instantly.
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It really wouldn't though.


And what's to stop me from gathering up usernames and passwords from all my family members who don't vote and voting for them on election day? Or paying people to give me their info?
Everything you've listed can be done with current voter with a much more difficult to audit system.

Still voter fraud remains extremely low.

You're naturally a pessimist, but this has you thinking way too inside the box.
 

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They just don’t want Poor people voting

The 1st time the poor voted, we got Obama.

The last time the poor voted, we got Trump.

2 out of 2 times, the poor has disrupted shyt. I see why the rich are so adamant against it.
 
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