Iron Fist Co-Creator Downplays Whitewashing Controversy

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For Marvel fans, the controversy surrounding Netflix’s take on Iron Fist is one that has been heard around the world. The ordeal all began when news broke that Finn Jones had been cast to play Danny Rand, the man behind Iron Fist’s yellow mask. The casting choice was met with mixed reviews as many fans had wanted Marvel to retcon Rand in the series and make him Asian-American. For critics, the choice to retain a white Iron Fist gave subtle credence to cultural appropriation and even whitewashing aesthetics for some camps.

Since Iron Fist debuted, fans have continued to argue about the show’s casting decisions, but there is one person who does not get all the hubbub. In a recent interview with The Inverse, the co-creator of Iron Fist was asked about the show’s sensitive controversy, and Roy Thomas said he did not see a need to look so deeply into the issue.

“Yeah, someone made me vaguely aware of that,” Thomas said. “I try not to think about it too much. I have so little patience for some of the feelings that some people have. I mean, I understand where it’s coming from. You know, cultural appropriation, my god. It’s just an adventure story. Don’t these people have something better to do than to worry about the fact that Iron Fist isn’t Oriental, or whatever word? I know Oriental isn’t the right word now, either.”

Continuing, Thomas admitted many characters created decades ago were products of their time and often reflected culturally insensitive traits. The co-creator said it would be simple enough to make change to existing heroes, but fans may just find it easier to create whole new characters that fit modern values.

“I just think some people have too much time on their hands, I guess,” Thomas said. “They have an infinite capacity for righteous indignation. By and large, that tends to be misplaced quite often because if you’re becoming all upset over things that are just stories, and if you don’t like it, instead of trying to change somebody else’s story, go out and make up your own character and do a good job of it. That’s just fine, but why waste time trying to run down other people’s characters simply because they weren’t created with your standards in mind?”

“Now if something is really racist or degrading to a sex or race, an ethnic group or something like that, that’s something else, but Iron Fist isn’t that and never has been. It’s all about a fictitious race, a fictitious place like a Shangri-La, and one person who happens to be its emissary. There’s no reason why he can’t be Caucasian.”

Fifteen years after being presumed dead in a plane crash, Danny Rand (Finn Jones) mysteriously returns to New York City determined to reclaim his birthright and family company. However, when a long-destined enemy rises in New York, this living weapon is forced to choose between his family’s legacy and his duties as the Iron Fist.

Marvel’s Iron Fist was developed by Scott Buck. The Netflix series stars Finn Jones as Danny Rand, a martial arts expert with the ability to call upon the power of the Iron Fist. The cast also includes Jessica Henwick, David Wenham, Jessica Stroup, Tom Pelphrey, and Rosario Dawson.

Iron Fist Co-Creator Downplays Whitewashing Controversy
 

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The thing is people aren't actually saying Iron Fist was "White washed", The only people using that term are the ones that are being too fukking lazy to look into the issues that Asian American have with the character. I've seen people complain that it's another example of the "White Savior" trope and that it appropriates Asian Culture, but not "White Washing.

And it needs to be kept in mind that Roy Thomas is the same guy that thought it was a good idea to create a character called Man-Ape which is a dim witted black man that dresses up in a gorilla outfit....
 

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For Marvel fans, the controversy surrounding Netflix’s take on Iron Fist is one that has been heard around the world. The ordeal all began when news broke that Finn Jones had been cast to play Danny Rand, the man behind Iron Fist’s yellow mask. The casting choice was met with mixed reviews as many fans had wanted Marvel to retcon Rand in the series and make him Asian-American. For critics, the choice to retain a white Iron Fist gave subtle credence to cultural appropriation and even whitewashing aesthetics for some camps.

Since Iron Fist debuted, fans have continued to argue about the show’s casting decisions, but there is one person who does not get all the hubbub. In a recent interview with The Inverse, the co-creator of Iron Fist was asked about the show’s sensitive controversy, and Roy Thomas said he did not see a need to look so deeply into the issue.

“Yeah, someone made me vaguely aware of that,” Thomas said. “I try not to think about it too much. I have so little patience for some of the feelings that some people have. I mean, I understand where it’s coming from. You know, cultural appropriation, my god. It’s just an adventure story. Don’t these people have something better to do than to worry about the fact that Iron Fist isn’t Oriental, or whatever word? I know Oriental isn’t the right word now, either.”

Continuing, Thomas admitted many characters created decades ago were products of their time and often reflected culturally insensitive traits. The co-creator said it would be simple enough to make change to existing heroes, but fans may just find it easier to create whole new characters that fit modern values.

“I just think some people have too much time on their hands, I guess,” Thomas said. “They have an infinite capacity for righteous indignation. By and large, that tends to be misplaced quite often because if you’re becoming all upset over things that are just stories, and if you don’t like it, instead of trying to change somebody else’s story, go out and make up your own character and do a good job of it. That’s just fine, but why waste time trying to run down other people’s characters simply because they weren’t created with your standards in mind?”

“Now if something is really racist or degrading to a sex or race, an ethnic group or something like that, that’s something else, but Iron Fist isn’t that and never has been. It’s all about a fictitious race, a fictitious place like a Shangri-La, and one person who happens to be its emissary. There’s no reason why he can’t be Caucasian.”

Fifteen years after being presumed dead in a plane crash, Danny Rand (Finn Jones) mysteriously returns to New York City determined to reclaim his birthright and family company. However, when a long-destined enemy rises in New York, this living weapon is forced to choose between his family’s legacy and his duties as the Iron Fist.

Marvel’s Iron Fist was developed by Scott Buck. The Netflix series stars Finn Jones as Danny Rand, a martial arts expert with the ability to call upon the power of the Iron Fist. The cast also includes Jessica Henwick, David Wenham, Jessica Stroup, Tom Pelphrey, and Rosario Dawson.

Iron Fist Co-Creator Downplays Whitewashing Controversy

Could not even finish reading.

Man, the creator sounds like a racist fool.
Was not checking for iron fist anyway. This has only increased my non interest.
This idiot actually said "orient" and then immidiately said "I know that's not the right word"
Then why use it dumbass. Limited vocabulary? Guess you can be called a cracker then. I know that's not the right word.
 

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With Shang Chi coming out and adapting Mandarin, can Marvel learn from Netflix and themselves on Strange and adapt Iron Fist without making him Asian? Is concept too steeped in Orientalist tropes and should just bypass it for a Heroes for Hire story?
 

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We're still talking about some goddamn Gummi Jolly Ranchers Fist?

:beli:

Shang Chi bout to erase that bullshiznit from my memory.
 

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iron fist is technically a mantel passed from warrior to warrior. so they could easily kill off danny rand and have someone like shang chi become the new iron fist or an entirely new character.
thing they're underestimating though is iron fist has been a popular character with his own comics since the 70's. the few voices want him changed probably will pale in comparison to amount of voices that would complain if he was changed. best to just give shine to all new asian characters
 

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Regarding Iron Fist and a Shang Chi connection, I watched this yesterday and as far as theories go this one falls on the decent side.

 

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iron fist is technically a mantel passed from warrior to warrior. so they could easily kill off danny rand and have someone like shang chi become the new iron fist or an entirely new character.
thing they're underestimating though is iron fist has been a popular character with his own comics since the 70's. the few voices want him changed probably will pale in comparison to amount of voices that would complain if he was changed. best to just give shine to all new asian characters
I like the name to post correlation

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Iron Fist as a “white savior” he’s a white dude who passed a test to protect a not real city. Not like they made him some guy saving Hong Kong or Tokyo because he’s tho only man for the job.

I personally wouldn’t care if they made Iron Fist Asian, or maybe get like a Henry Golding and keep the Rand personality. I do think the character needs to have western roots so it’s not just a mystical Asian martial arts warrior story.
 

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I think this highlights marvels lack of Asian American superheroes more than anything. I have no problem with Iron fist being white, but I can see how asian audiences are turned off by it giving some of it asian cultural references. It gives more of a white savior vibe than cultural appropriation, which is a term i think is just thrown around recklessly now.
 

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I like the name to post correlation

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Iron Fist as a “white savior” he’s a white dude who passed a test to protect a not real city. Not like they made him some guy saving Hong Kong or Tokyo because he’s tho only man for the job.

I personally wouldn’t care if they made Iron Fist Asian, or maybe get like a Henry Golding and keep the Rand personality. I do think the character needs to have western roots so it’s not just a mystical Asian martial arts warrior story.
@IronFist :jawalrus:
 

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I like the name to post correlation

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Iron Fist as a “white savior” he’s a white dude who passed a test to protect a not real city. Not like they made him some guy saving Hong Kong or Tokyo because he’s tho only man for the job.

I personally wouldn’t care if they made Iron Fist Asian, or maybe get like a Henry Golding and keep the Rand personality. I do think the character needs to have western roots so it’s not just a mystical Asian martial arts warrior story.

Did not know this before. Make sense!
 

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You can't whitewash a character that has always been white.
People are goofy.
 

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I like the name to post correlation

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Iron Fist as a “white savior” he’s a white dude who passed a test to protect a not real city. Not like they made him some guy saving Hong Kong or Tokyo because he’s tho only man for the job.

I personally wouldn’t care if they made Iron Fist Asian, or maybe get like a Henry Golding and keep the Rand personality. I do think the character needs to have western roots so it’s not just a mystical Asian martial arts warrior story.
Iron Fist was just a continuation of a literary trope where a white guy goes to some Far East location and proves himself to be the master of whatever discipline/mystic ability that is part of that culture.

It was done in the 40s with many characters like Judomaster and Green Lama, in the 1960s with Pete Cannon - Thunderbolt and in the 70s with Iron Fist and Richard Dragon to name a few.

Netflix could've cast an Asian guy in the role of Danny Rand and saved themselves some backlash but it really can't be held against them that they cast a white guy.

However, it can be held against them that they cast the specific lame ass white guy they chose.
 
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