Is Bill Russell winning MVP in 1961 fugazi?

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Wilt came in 2nd place. He averaged 50.4 - 25.7 - 2.4
Oscar Robinson came in 3rd place and averaged a triple double 30 - 12 - 11
Jerry West came in 4 place averaging 30 - 7 - 5
Elgin Baylor averaged 38 - 18 - 4 and came in 5th place

Walt Bellamy averaged 31 - 19 - 2 and only came in 7th

Bill Russell averaged 18 - 23 - 4

Stats clearly didn't matter back then. And there were only 9 teams playing an 80 game season, so every team had to have played each other at least 6 times.

 

[UpAndComing]

Criteria for the MVP literally changes every year, and that includes the 1960s

Bill Russell in 1961 already won 3 titles, on his way to win a 4th title. Gotta look at the press clippings at that time, but I'm sure the narrative was that he was the best player on the Best team

Stats did matter in other years when Oscar and Wilt won their MVPs

 

[2legit]

Criteria for the MVP literally changes every year, and that includes the 1960s

Bill Russell in 1961 already won 3 titles, on his way to win a 4th title. Gotta look at the press clippings at that time, but I'm sure the narrative was that he was the best player on the Best team

Stats did matter in other years when Oscar and Wilt won their MVPs

Press didnt matter back. The players voted for MVP in that era. Russells peers said that he was better than Wilt.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Press didnt matter back. The players voted for MVP in that era. Russells peers said that he was better than Wilt.

Or hated

 

[SchoolboyC]

My understanding is Wilt was a very polarizing player during his playing career especially the Philly days before he won a ring. Some people acknowledged his talent but felt he was a statpadder and cared more about his numbers/celebrity status than winning games whereas Russell was seen as the ultimate leader and team player

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

My understanding is Wilt was a very polarizing player during his playing career especially the Philly days before he won a ring. Some people acknowledged his talent but felt he was a statpadder and cared more about his numbers/celebrity status than winning games whereas Russell was seen as the ultimate leader and team player

Stat padding in a league with only 9 teams

If you read the stats of the top 7 MVP finish, everyone was padding stats. Wilt was just better than everyone else at doing it.

All I’m saying is the MVP was obviously more about team accomplishments than individual merit.

The Celtics had the best record and gave up the fewest points. They didn’t have defensive player of the year so Russelll got the MVP by default despite not scoring a lot

 

[Bittersteel]

In the 60s defense was more impactful than offense. That's why the Celtics could win 8 championship in a row whilst being a bad offense and whilst the Royals were always one of the best offensive teams but couldn't sniff the championship.

Bill being dominant on the defensive end was far more valuable to his team than the offensive players.

 

[VegetasHairline]

You being unbanned is fugazi.

 

[Harry B]

What about likability? What about being the most important player on the by far best team?

 

[UpAndComing]

In the 60s defense was more impactful than offense. That's why the Celtics could win 8 championship in a row whilst being a bad offense and whilst the Royals were always one of the best offensive teams but couldn't sniff the championship.

Bill being dominant on the defensive end was far more valuable to his team than the offensive players.

Holy shyt at the ignorance

The Celtics had one of the best offenses in the league in the 1960s. The Celtics/Auerbach Literally created the fastbreak offense

The 60s Celtics had great offensive players on that team. Cousy, Bill Sharman, Sam Jones, John Havlichek, and Tom Heinsohn

 

[Boonapalist]

Holy shyt at the ignorance

The Celtics had one of the best offenses in the league in the 1960s. The Celtics/Auerbach Literally created the fastbreak offense

The 60s Celtics had great offensive players on that team. Cousy, Bill Sharman, Sam Jones, John Havlichek, and Tom Heinsohn

Your calling someone ignorant but once again you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Look at the Celtics offensive ratings those years. They were usually near the bottom. Just because a team plays fast doesn’t mean their offense is good. Their defense is why they were so dominant and why Bill Russell deserves more respect.

Before Bill Russell came the Celtics were usually 1st or 2nd on offense but last on defense and you see how much they won. Russell was a pioneer and a winner.

 

[UpAndComing]

Your calling someone ignorant but once again you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Look at the Celtics offensive ratings those years. They were usually near the bottom. Just because a team plays fast doesn’t mean their offense is good. Their defense is why they were so dominant and why Bill Russell deserves more respect.

Before Bill Russell came the Celtics were usually 1st or 2nd on offense but last on defense and you see how much they won. Russell was a pioneer and a winner.

The person I quoted said they were a BAD, which they were not. At worst they were average, with majority of the years being 4th or 5th in offensive efficiency. Being the literal inventors of the Fast Break automatically does not make you a bad offensive team.... I'm really intrigued if anyone has the Celtics 4th quarter offensive stats, relative to the rest of the league, they had very good offensive sets that were ahead of their time. Seeing as the Celtics in the Russell era never lost a Game 7 in the playoffs

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Who unbanned this idiot

 

[Ripp]

Wilt came in 2nd place. He averaged 50.4 - 25.7 - 2.4
Oscar Robinson came in 3rd place and averaged a triple double 30 - 12 - 11
Jerry West came in 4 place averaging 30 - 7 - 5
Elgin Baylor averaged 38 - 18 - 4 and came in 5th place

Walt Bellamy averaged 31 - 19 - 2 and only came in 7th

Bill Russell averaged 18 - 23 - 4

Stats clearly didn't matter back then. And there were only 9 teams playing an 80 game season, so every team had to have played each other at least 6 times.

Well the celtics were 60-20 I'm not gonna do the match but is it possible he Russel and the celtics had a winning record over the other teams those candidates played for. If that's the case it's lowkey empty stats

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Well the celtics were 60-20 I'm not gonna do the match but is it possible he Russel and the celtics had a winning record over the other teams those candidates played for. If that's the case it's lowkey empty stats

the celtics had winning records against every team in the league that year lol