Is Black Talent really that Rare?

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Black opportunities are that rare. Denzel was given shyt scripts most of his career. It was his talent that was carrying the movies.

All the current 'it' white guys have to turn down the for good movies(with exceptions here and there) before the black guys can be considered.
 

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Who are these people you're talking about?

Are we even talking about the same thing?
The newer crowd don’t want to learn and put the work into growing, they just want praise for being. Last part of my post explains that more.

We have a lot of celebrities, celebrities will always be a thing now, but these celebrities aren’t that good at what they’re doing compared to what we’ve seen and even compared to their peers. But let their fans tell it they’re “changing the game” it’s too much yapping.
 
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No. It's not rare at all.

A New Kings of Comedy should have BEEN done back in the day with Katt Williams and Dave Chappelle.

A lot of older people are not trying to put younger folks on. That's the issue that gets glossed over. Talent is EVERYWHERE.

People get into a position of power, and just want to stay there and not pull others up or even promote them to their large audience.
 

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Black opportunities are that rare. Denzel was given shyt scripts most of his career. It was his talent that was carrying the movies.

All the current 'it' white guys have to turn down the for good movies(with exceptions here and there) before the black guys can be considered.

As long as we rely on Hwood, there will only be one to few Denzels at a time, while as you said there are plenty of both 'it' and no name white guys getting roles. No amount of integration, assimilation, accolades/awards will make Hollywood be for black people what it is for white people, ever. Even if all biases were removed, functionally it is incapable of meeting the demand. In theory every community has just as much stories to tell as hollywood. Functionally, hollywood will not be telling all of those stories. Thus it doesnt make sense to be totally codependent on something that will give you diminishing returns. You must seek more. And if that was not the objective and people are fine with crumbs or being in the court of another's castle, than having your own castle, then that is another conversation.

At this point we should be beyond a scarcity psychology of just being happy to be included.
 

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It's not that Black talent is rare per se. But there are not a lot of traditional avenues to hone your craft. There is no real chitlin circuit to perform and hone your craft with mostly black audiences.

Today's comedians have to build their own audience and jn most cases it's through through social media and that requires a different bag of tricks.
 

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Honestly I think it’s the opposite, theres just too many people all trying to get on via SM/Podcast.

There’s no filter like back in the day that acted as the minor leagues for people to poach from.

Everyone with a decent smart phone/camera set up, an idea, and a mic can put out content.

We might not have found the next Dave Chappell or Kay but there’s a million Deray Davis’s, Lovell Crawford and so on.
 

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This is a case of the system that groomed previous talent as well as the effect of social media diluting centralized star power.

The bar of entry is lower and the overexposure takes away the "event" the demonstration of elite talent is.

Human entertainment peaked in the 2nd half of the 20th century with the right blend of cultivation and technological innovation. The turn of the century saw technology start to surpass cultivation.
 

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A lot of the older community talent, particularly in music, was vetted by the community/grassroots with associated infrastructure; in other words, a community center of gravity. This is where you get terms like "black famous vs hollywood famous". When we rely on hollywood for all process of talent promotion (from education/training, to promotion), you have a botteneck where only a few get promoted at one time. This means entire culture/arts forms are simply not being created and disseminated; there simply are no grassroots pipelines or vetting/validation mechanisms***. Hollywood was never going to create Motown, etc, it had to be done at the grassroots level. This same dynamic is true today. Hollywood is an industry that sells culture. It is not the raw culture itself.

***I.E. compare the sheer diversity/culture we had with 60s, 70s labels, etc compared to after they were absorbed by Hollywood. Or just the past musical scene compared to today. Essentially like comparing a specialty store to a mere shelf in a supermarket. Mainstream assimilation is good for individual artists, but potentially bad for any distinct broader cultural group, because there will never be a 1:1 integration. Things will get left behind, watered down, distorted, appropriated, etc. You run the risk of participating in a caricature or monolithized version of your own culture, or even getting Elvised at worst. The goal should be to continously empower a distinct center of gravity that can then project outwards on its own terms. This base of power could then exist within the broader mainstream environment without compormising itself.

It should give pause when people say 'when is hollywood going to do x, or y for us', when they understand the implications of such co-dependency. A person of sound mind would be wary of Hollywood (or any external paradigm) having any say in their representation, not running into its arms. Once you see things from that perspective, co-dependecy is like a state of learned helplessness.
Yep
We stopped being the gatekeepers of our culture on a wide scale because we don't have any wide scale distribution of our own.
 

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People need to learn and adapt. Can’t forget that the rest of the world doesn’t stop getting better either and learning.

Anything innovative becomes the new floor of something else. That’s why you got Jokic, Usyk/Bivol/Inoue, etc. who are dominating sports that LeBron and Floyd used to.

You can’t rest of laurels because time doesn’t rest either. At the end of the day you’re competing with people who will look to make advancements.

The reason why we also have talent that are not quite matching old times or keeping up with the times is folks keep overrating mid because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings (and some coping as well). Too many participation trophies and not more scrutiny. The quality control currently is horrible because people want to big up everything they’re doing.

The newer crowd don’t want to learn and put the work into growing, they just want praise for being. Last part of my post explains that more.

We have a lot of celebrities, celebrities will always be a thing now, but these celebrities aren’t that good at what they’re doing compared to what we’ve seen and even compared to their peers. But let their fans tell it they’re “changing the game” it’s too much yapping.
You used athletes. Sports is much more tangible and objective than art as is the science around sports.
 
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