Is China still communist or are they faking it?

[Cave Savage]

They've drifted further and further from communism since the Deng Xiaoping era, yet it seems like the leadership in China is still committed to Marxism .

The excuse that they use is that they're in stage one of socialism. Though I'm really not sure that when their per capita income gets on par with Western Europe, will they commit to egalitarian communism or will they shift to being even more like the West economically.

 

[DEAD7]

Heavy central planning failed(as expected)... they have seen the light and adopted capitalism
Foolish pride wont let them admit it though.

 

[Oldschooler]

The answer is no they have shifted from traditional communistic ideals of the 50s. They are run by oligarchs who have strong ties to the CCP. This is a known fact. The oligarchs don't play by the same rules as regular folk they essentially live in a western society. But at any minute they could be demoted or overruled by the party.

The thing with China is that most of their people are obedient and have been brainwashed through generations of communistic ideals. The general quality of life of the majority of population has increased so people are happy enough not to cause turmoil.

China's biggest problem is its aging population for a country that still depends on the quantity of its labor force which make it world's manufacturing hub. The one child policy and measures taken to control its population growth might be the death of their economy if they don't start to shift towards services and tech. Therefore I still think they will remain a one party socialist nation to have a better control of a more liberal population from going rogue when the economy starts stagnating.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

They are capitalists masquerading as communists so the CCP can save face and stay in power...

Communism is a colossal failure, there isn't a single country it has worked for or relegated to third world status...

 

[Cave Savage]

Heavy central planning failed(as expected)... they have seen the light and adopted capitalism
Foolish pride wont let them admit it though.

They're pretending that it's somehow justifiable under Marx's writing

Maoists view the CCP as traitors, though. And rightfully so, China is arguably more capitalist than even softcore socialists would like for their country. Bernie supporters don't think people like Jack Ma should even exist.

So does that mean Cuba is the last real Marxist country standing?

 

[Cave Savage]

They are capitalists masquerading as communists so the CCP can save face and stay in power...

Communism is a colossal failure, there isn't a single country it has worked for or relegated to third world status...

I read a theory that if China had free elections right now, they would likely end up with a Neo-Maoist leader. Which is probably why the CCP remains nominally communist + non democratic, to make the changes they feel necessary while placating the population who still believes in communism.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

I read a theory that if China had free elections right now, they would likely end up with a Neo-Maoist leader. Which is probably why the CCP remains nominally communist + non democratic, to make the changes they feel necessary while placating the population who still believes in communism.

That's exactly why...

Saw a really good documentary on China's rise recently on Amazon...

Mao is Jesus to them, the Chinese people were destroyed in WWII by the Japs, Mao gave them their pride back and they are forever indebted to him for that...They won't accept anyone who is against Mao and his philosophy...

 

[Cave Savage]

That's exactly why...

Saw a really good documentary on China's rise recently on Amazon...

Mao is Jesus to them, the Chinese people were destroyed in WWII by the Japs, Mao gave them their pride back and they are forever indebted to him for that...They won't accept anyone who is against Mao and his philosophy...

The CCP holds that he was a great revolutionary for fighting the Japanese and establishing the PRC, but that some of his policies as leader were bad. Hence Deng Xiaoping saying "70% right, 30% wrong", but he probably really meant the other way around.

I don't think China is going to take over the world, but their rise is impressive considering how they were dirt poor in the 70s and honestly were still pretty poor even in the 00s. So while I don't like their style of government, they do need to be taken seriously as they're not somewhere like Venezuela.

They just surpassed Mexico in GDP per capita and are still growing at 6% a year, twice as high as the best countries in Latin America. All of developing East + South Asia is smoking hot economically, even India and Bangladesh. I'm not sure if they all have China style planning or if they directly benefit from proximity to China.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

The CCP holds that he was a great revolutionary for fighting the Japanese and establishing the PRC, but that some of his policies as leader were bad. Hence Deng Xiaoping saying "70% right, 30% wrong", but he probably really meant the other way around.

I don't think China is going to take over the world, but their rise is impressive considering how they were dirt poor in the 70s and honestly were still pretty poor even in the 00s. So while I don't like their style of government, they do need to be taken seriously as they're not somewhere like Venezuela.

They just surpassed Mexico in GDP per capita and are still growing at 6% a year, twice as high as the best countries in Latin America. All of developing East + South Asia is smoking hot economically, even India and Bangladesh. I'm not sure if they all have China style planning or if they directly benefit from proximity to China.

Keep in mind that Deng was exiled to the countryside for the bold, he was only allowed to comeback because those who opposed him in the CCP passed away...

Most of the party aknowledged that China was in a REAL bad place, they needed major reform to transition out of being a third world country constantly suffering from famine...

That's when Deng was allowed back in and he first started with education, slowly transitioning to a capitalist economy...

 

[Cave Savage]

Keep in mind that Deng was exiled to the countryside for the bold, he was only allowed to comeback because those who opposed him in the CCP passed away...

Most of the party aknowledged that China was in a REAL bad place, they needed major reform to transition out of being a third world country constantly suffering from famine...

That's when Deng was allowed back in and he first started with education, slowly transitioning to a capitalist economy...

Has Xi made any changes or has he basically just continued the path they were going down?

And isn't it crazy that the philosophy of some Russian guys was taken so seriously that countries went into decades of hell over it?

 

[Cave Savage]

Honestly I think that even Cuba is going to change, the people must be realizing by now that holding onto the purity of a dead Russian guy's philosophy (which the world has largely ditched) is not doing the country much good. Maybe not though, who knows.

 

[King Static X]

China hasn't been communist since the '80s. China is a state capitalist regime.