"IS destruction = Strategic Mistake| IS is useful" - Israel

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How so?
Isn't Israel the same nation who literally sent a death squad after terrorists of the olympics event?

I mean, any nation able to strategize a hit force foreign and abroad to hit targets of their choosing then how can I give Israel "too much credit" when it is shown they know how to move in really slippery ways.

It's been talks of Israel having a hand in IS as the Figurehead Baggdaddi I think, is said to really be of Israeli origin and he's an agent of the Israel state. now granted, it may be tin-foil shyt but the proof (images) presented alongside it gave it weight in my eyes.

I don't care what no one say, IS was allowed to happen. now rather it was done by ignorance in the form of not paying attention to their uprising or it was intentionally allowed to grow into the World Issue it is now. now mind you, members of our congress fought to get 500M Aid package to the Libyan rebels, also if it was the aid package in question, another aid package (consisting of weapons, food and ammunition) was "lost" and ended up in the hands of "unvetted" rebel groups, i.e. terrorist groups. it is rumored, IS got alot of weaponry from this type of support. claiming that groups would take said aid, agreeing to fight in American interest then once received they'd 'defect' to IS with the aid and in essence, strengthening IS's stockpile and membership.

But regardless, let's say I am giving Israel too much credit (just to play devils advocate) how do you feel about them feeling keeping IS an active force in the world? do you find this acceptable?

Some of them also got arrested a killed the wrong targets. At the time I think it was an impressive for lack of a better word undertaking but now would be the norm. You have to remember that's when the world started to become a lot more accessible and interconnected.

We've heard the same tin-foily stuff for years about different groups and organizations. I think there's a lot of agit-prop out there especially when Israel and Muslim states are at play.

Allowed may be a strong term. I think it's a result of decades of repression. Were IS able to capture arms and even trick the US or other states I'm sure of it and may have even read articles I trust stating as much. I'm not arguing otherwise. Just think about the amount of arms IS seized from the Iraqi military alone for a second.

Israel keeping them an active force in what sense? I don't think Israel has the capabilities or interest to get involved in Syria. Will Israel do targeted strikes on Hizbullah and other faction it sees as a threat to its security... as we've seen yes. Actively target IS? Idk, Israel controls the high ground in the Golan Heights opposite them is a mix of Assad's army, FSA, Nusra, and even some IS factions. IS can't really hit Israel so why pull the tiger by its tale when it can exhaust itself elsewhere. The border region around Israel isn't very active.

If Israel got involved everyone would be opposed to it including the US, Russia, Muslim states. It's a lose lose for them.


Personally I think the best option for Iraq and Syria is some balkanization along religious lines so we can finally put this to bed.

 

[thekingsmen]

We've heard the same tin-foily stuff for years about different groups and organizations. I think there's a lot of agit-prop out there especially when Israel and Muslim states are at play.

Allowed may be a strong term. I think it's a result of decades of repression. Were IS able to capture arms and even trick the US or other states I'm sure of it and may have even read articles I trust stating as much. I'm not arguing otherwise. Just think about the amount of arms IS seized from the Iraqi military alone for a second.

Israel keeping them an active force in what sense? I don't think Israel has the capabilities or interest to get involved in Syria. Will Israel do targeted strikes on Hizbullah and other faction it sees as a threat to its security... as we've seen yes. Actively target IS? Idk, Israel controls the high ground in the Golan Heights opposite them is a mix of Assad's army, FSA, Nusra, and even some IS factions. IS can't really hit Israel so why pull the tiger by its tale when it can exhaust itself elsewhere. The border region around Israel isn't very active.

If Israel got involved everyone would be opposed to it including the US, Russia, Muslim states. It's a lose lose for them.


Personally I think the best option for Iraq and Syria is some balkanization along religious lines so we can finally put this to bed.

1. What Tin-Foil stuff?
2. IS tricks US into given them weapons.....how?
3. Golan Heights count? The Greater Israel Count?
4. So if they are in France, Germany, US, North Africa( as the media portrays them), then why aren't they in Israel, attacking Israel?
5.
6. That's what Israel and the U.S. want.

 

[Nomadum]

Some of them also got arrested a killed the wrong targets. At the time I think it was an impressive for lack of a better word undertaking but now would be the norm. You have to remember that's when the world started to become a lot more accessible and interconnected.

I see your side of the argument. but you don't think that's an issue still? that even though that's when the world started to become a lot more accessible and interconnected, that Israel was able to send in Assassin Agents to 'neutralize' foreign targets? now imagine how easy it would be for Israel to now not have to risk their own nation members to direct eye's and scrutiny and now they can utilize proxy agents, i.e. terrorist groups.

I'm really amazed you aren't more alarmed about a nation (any nation) saying "IS destruction strategic mistake". That alone is a red flag to me. If such a nation can come to a conclusion, then it isn't a stretch to assume now that such a nation would do things to help keep them active. either through direct actions such as money or aid, or indirect actions like creating environments abroad that allows IS to survive. that last option, very scary.

We've heard the same tin-foily stuff for years about different groups and organizations. I think there's a lot of agit-prop out there especially when Israel and Muslim states are at play.

Allowed may be a strong term. I think it's a result of decades of repression. Were IS able to capture arms and even trick the US or other states I'm sure of it and may have even read articles I trust stating as much. I'm not arguing otherwise. Just think about the amount of arms IS seized from the Iraqi military alone for a second.

Yea, I admit some of the stuff out about groups and organizations are tin-foily but then there are big pieces which are not. prime example, do you know that Hamas was created by Israel ? Israel's most known 'antagonist' was created by them, just let that sit in your mind for a minute.

That Iraqi Military supply loot they got, all US weapons. Let me hip you (if you aren't) about the Iraqi army. The day former President Bush launched the public invasion and war on Iraq (back in March 2003) it was really the worst move that could've been done. but ultimately we see this was done to push an agenda that was bought to light in 2007 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-...q-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166). Either way,

The forced exile of a leader is never ever a good thing. even though a leader may be systematically laying waste to his own nation and people, to forcefully remove any leader causes a vacuum of power. and as history has shown, in the absence of any leadership (be it democratic or dictatorship) chaos reigns heavily. The Iraq nation was doomed when we took down Saddam. The military is comprised of soldiers doing it for a pay check, it's safe to say that alot of the Iraqi soldiers love their nation and are legit patriots but for the majority, the grunts/frontline, they run and have ran when direct pressure was placed upon them. leaving entire neighborhoods or access points to neighborhoods, completely exposed. they didn't fight IS because they truly wasn't trained on how to fight properly.

Israel keeping them an active force in what sense? I don't think Israel has the capabilities or interest to get involved in Syria. Will Israel do targeted strikes on Hizbullah and other faction it sees as a threat to its security... as we've seen yes. Actively target IS? Idk, Israel controls the high ground in the Golan Heights opposite them is a mix of Assad's army, FSA, Nusra, and even some IS factions. IS can't really hit Israel so why pull the tiger by its tale when it can exhaust itself elsewhere. The border region around Israel isn't very active.

If Israel got involved everyone would be opposed to it including the US, Russia, Muslim states. It's a lose lose for them.


Personally I think the best option for Iraq and Syria is some balkanization along religious lines so we can finally put this to bed.

you peeped the article I posted?