Is Hip Hop A Young Man's Game?

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I know there exists a jay-z who is 40+ still dropping successful albums but do you think hip hop is best performed by the young? is it a young man's game at heart? could you get into a 50-year old dropping a debut hip hop album if the beats knocked and the lyrics were dope? :lupe:
 

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It was a young mans game because it was a young culture as a whole. That's not the case anymore.

It's really past time for hip hop to move beyond that shyt and into the realms of rock and roll and other genres where you have guys that can be legendary until they die. Jay rapping @ 50 will be like seeing bruce springstien or some shyt...we deserve that, we deserve preservation of our art. It's been recognized that the shyt wasn't a fad but what's the next step?

Jay-z for better or worse depending on who you ask is stretching out the shelf life of the MC. You got 2 chainz doing his thing in his mid-late 30's just now getting some burn. Now you don't have to be some kinda nas/snoop/ll/rakim like prodigy to cultivate your skill and drop a dope single or an album. Em, Jay, Nas, and even a lot of the 2nd tier guys either pushing 40 or over it sets a precedent for newer artists ability to have that kind of longevity.
 

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when was when HipHop started it back in the 70s.HipHop is about 40 years old now why would it still be for kids?
 

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It was a young mans game because it was a young culture as a whole. That's not the case anymore.

It's really past time for hip hop to move beyond that shyt and into the realms of rock and roll and other genres where you have guys that can be legendary until they die. Jay rapping @ 50 will be like seeing bruce springstien or some shyt...we deserve that, we deserve preservation of our art. It's been recognized that the shyt wasn't a fad but what's the next step?

Jay-z for better or worse depending on who you ask is stretching out the shelf life of the MC. You got 2 chainz doing his thing in his mid-late 30's just now getting some burn. Now you don't have to be some kinda nas/snoop/ll/rakim like prodigy to cultivate your skill and drop a dope single or an album.
I've always made that point but I think what goes in hand with legends being in the game until they die is having that demographic of hip hop fans in their 40's and 50's that these legends can actually make music for. Jay still has the ability to appeal to the youth, but I'd love to see him cater to that older demographic of hip hop fans that I think is starting to emerge as well. I think Nas does it a little. A dude like Scarface was kinda doing it with the last couple albums he had. We need to have a demographic that not only requires the presence of oldies hip hop stations but also have artists they can identify with. Hopefully as time goes on, the older these MCs get, the more they'll be willing to rap about things relevant to their age because there'll be an audience for it.

I'm 26 so I'm not really tryna listen to any social security rap, but there's plenty of :flabbynsick: nikkas that can relate to those pension bars.
 

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I've always made that point but I think what goes in hand with legends being in the game until they die is having that demographic of hip hop fans in their 40's and 50's that these legends can actually make music for. Jay still has the ability to appeal to the youth, but I'd love to see him cater to that older demographic of hip hop fans that I think is starting to emerge as well. I think Nas does it a little. A dude like Scarface was kinda doing it with the last couple albums he had. We need to have a demographic that not only requires the presence of oldies hip hop stations but also have artists they can identify with. Hopefully as time goes on, the older these MCs get, the more they'll be willing to rap about things relevant to their age because there'll be an audience for it.

I'm 26 so I'm not really tryna listen to any social security rap, but there's plenty of :flabbynsick: nikkas that can relate to those pension bars.

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On point, if we play the MC's to the left, the fans they appealed to go with them, or they sit on the sideline of the new school wagging their finger at every fukking thing...It seems like things could end up going the route where the age demographic expands right along with the art. Almost like a grand exit of that 2nd childhood stage.

It's always dope to see an artist like lupe be deliberate in making a song that can be performed...50/60 year old rappers may have a different mindset from their debut. I mean look at somebody like prince, he's at an age that he doesn't even want to perform some of his older shyt because a shift in perspective/philosophy or whatever.

Picture lupe at jay's age still being able to rock out to a song like "Real", something relevant, something lyrically and technically dope...and he wouldn't look like a fukking idiot @ that age reciting those raps.

Not to say nikkas should just start making 50 year old songs in advance, but I think just KNOWING that it's possible that you could still be here 20 some odd years from now, to see real live examples of that in the flesh would do wonders for your foresight into how you might look/feel/express yourself if you can make it that far.
 

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Hip hop is NOT a old mans game. But you grandpa nikkas already kno this :pachaha:

nikkas bring up 2chainz n Jay like the majority of the new gen aint in there 20s :heh:
 

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I always thought that callin' Hip Hop a "young man's game" was a bullshyt excuse for older cats who lose their appeal and can't sell the records they used to. Cats lose their touch, and they used to always attribute that to them being "too old". That's bullshyt. Talent needs to be nourished.

I remember when Naughty by Nature first broke up, and Kaygee said that he was switchin' his focus to R&B because Hip Hop was for young people. Treach came out and said, "it's because he's not making the beats in a way that connects with people anymore. He fell off, but I'm still rappin' just as good as I always did. So I'm sticking with Hip Hop". I co-sign that. If you can still bring quality to the table, your age has nothin' to do with what's going on in Hip Hop.

You need to stay "current" to flourish in ANY genre. But like with most urban cultures, we find ways to limit ourselves and how far we can go within our own shyt. I wanna see legends in my music, the same way I see them in genres like Rock and R&B. If you still have the ability to connect with folks and make dope music, your age means nothing.
 

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On point, if we play the MC's to the left, the fans they appealed to go with them, or they sit on the sideline of the new school wagging their finger at every fukking thing...It seems like things could end up going the route where the age demographic expands right along with the art. Almost like a grand exit of that 2nd childhood stage.

It's always dope to see an artist like lupe be deliberate in making a song that can be performed...50/60 year old rappers may have a different mindset from their debut. I mean look at somebody like prince, he's at an age that he doesn't even want to perform some of his older shyt because a shift in perspective/philosophy or whatever.

Picture lupe at jay's age still being able to rock out to a song like "Real", something relevant, something lyrically and technically dope...and he wouldn't look like a fukking idiot @ that age reciting those raps.

Not to say nikkas should just start making 50 year old songs in advance, but I think just KNOWING that it's possible that you could still be here 20 some odd years from now, to see real live examples of that in the flesh would do wonders for your foresight into how you might look/feel/express yourself if you can make it that far.
c/s everything you said breh. I'd love to see hip hop get to the point where we can have MCs have the type of career arcs R&B artists do. :piedpiper: might jump on a track aimed at the youngins every now and then, but he's embraced being a grown ass man that makes grown ass music for grown ass fans. That last part is kinda what's missing in hip hop. Our grown ass fans either don't listen to hip hop anymore or still bump The Message sitting outside the barbershop smoking blacks :skip: And we know the nature of the business is to make music that's in demand so if that grown demo isn't there the grown music wont be either. I think Phonte's been doing it since the Little Brother days and even more now with the solos. Outkast's next, if it ever comes out, will probably be on some grown shyt.

Real artists make timeless music, so I wouldn't say they should even be using foresight necessarily. If the fanbase is growing with the artist then songs that might be silly to us to see an older act perform would just be on some stroll down memory lane shyt for them. When I'm 50 at the first ever TDE reunion concert (:flabbynsick:) and Kendrick starts performing Backseat Freestyle, I'll be too busy
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to think "This dude is way too old to be playing this song:childplease:" A lot of the West Coast legends could prolong their careers right now if they just brought the G-funk sound back with a mature theme. Picture Snoop and Dr. Dre doing a grown album on some Imagine from Blue Carpet Treatment shyt?:wow: Or New York nikkas trying to emulate Ghostface's Ghostdini album?:wow:
 

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problem with rappers is they never grow up gracefully and elevate their subject matter. They make all these in the moment songs to try and grab young fans when they should keep it real with themselves. Thats why rap is looked at the way it is sometimes.

You got some dude in his late 30's trying to make you believe he's in the club popping bottles pouring champagne on a dozen brazilian models every night or knee deep in a trap house with a bunch of kilos for a whole album. When in reality hes married with two young kids that he reads a story to before they go to sleep and only goes to clubs to do a show where he comes late and leaves early. He wont make a song about that though and the ironic thing is that his real fans are at that age where they're living that adult life and saying to themselves "this dude is still rapping like a kid"
 
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