Is Mandatory Sentencing The Solution To Justice Inequality

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So answer the question. During sentencing we shouldnt take into account the anger/pain the man caused in sexually abusing the boy when sentencing the boy? That pain/anger that was caused because of a crime should in no way be taken into account is what you're saying?
No because that would break the system.

The boy should be taught from an early age in school to call the authorities before deciding to commit premeditated murder. If he is a juvenile he should be shown leniency.

What happens when you show leniency is you have people killing others and then saying *but he beat me* *but i was scared for my life* which breaks the system. No if someone hurts you, call the authorities because the sentencing for these crimes is mandatory, but so is premeditated murder. Again, self defense meaning the boy was about to be, in the process of or loitering around after being abused is different from being able to return to a safe place to call authorities and instead choosing to get a weapon and commit murder, friend.

I understand why someone would do that though, it just cant be tolerated
 

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No because that would break the system.

The boy should be taught from an early age in school to call the authorities before deciding to commit premeditated murder. If he is a juvenile he should be shown leniency.

What happens when you show leniency is you have people killing others and then saying *but he beat me* *but i was scared for my life* which breaks the system. No if someone hurts you, call the authorities because the sentencing for these crimes is mandatory, but so is premeditated murder. Again, self defense meaning the boy was about to be, in the process of or loitering around after being abused is different from being able to return to a safe place to call authorities and instead choosing to get a weapon and commit murder, friend.

I understand why someone would do that though, it just cant be tolerated

Well I disagree brother. I would take into account the fact that he was sexually abused into account. Would that make him innocent? No. But it may stop him from getting a death sentence and turn that into life or less. Self defense is another reason why mandatory sentencing wouldnt work.
 

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Should there be a fixed amount of time served for each crime on the books and will this solution end inequality as it concerns justice in the courtroom.
then some people wont be charged with the correct crime
 

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Won't matter. Then you'll just be forcing the cacs to come up with another degree system....
 

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Doesn't the war on drugs completely contradict this?

Tell that to all the brothers in jail doing mad years for crack possession.
They were giving mandatory sentences for the types of drugs. In my vision drug Dealing falls under the same category. It doesnt matter the drug. What matters is how far up the chain you are. So obviously the dealers get lighter sentences then the distributor, wholesaler, kingpin. What matters is how much weight you are actually moving.
 

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did they not try and are trying this already (immigration and drugs) with disastrous results due to selectivity and partiality in determining which crimes fall under mandatory sentencing?

Why Is a Florida Man Facing Life in Prison For Lending a Friend His Car and Going to Sleep?
Ryan Holle, who has no prior record, is currently serving his eleventh year of a life sentence.

Charles Grodin
March 24, 2014

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Charles Grodin
Charles Grodin is an advocate for non-violent inmates. He is the receipient of the William Kunstler for Racial Justice...

Several years ago I read a piece in The New York Times by Adam Liptak about Ryan Holle. Ryan, who had no prior record, is serving a life sentence with no chance of parole in Florida. He was convicted of pre-meditated murder, even though no one, including the prosecutor, disputes that Ryan was asleep in his bed at home at the time of the crime. This could only happen in America, because we are the only country that retains the Felony Murder Rule. What the Felony Murder Rule essentially says is if anyone has anything to do with a felony in which a murder takes place, such as a robbery, that person is as guilty as the person who has committed the murder. Every other country including England, India and Canada has gotten rid of it because of its unintended consequences. In America, Michigan, Kentucky and Hawaii no longer have the law. The Canadian Supreme Court ruled, when they discarded the Felony Murder Rule, that a person should be held responsible for his own actions not the actions of others.

Exactly what did Ryan Holle do? At a party in his apartment over ten years ago, he lent his car to his roommate and went to sleep. He had lent his car to his roommate many times before with no negative consequences. This time the roommate and others went to a house where they knew a woman was selling marijuana from a safe. They planned to get the marijuana, but in the course of their break-in a teenage girl was killed. Those at the scene all received appropriately harsh sentences, but so did Ryan Holle. I got involved with the case shortly after I read Adam Liptak’s piece. I have been advocating on behalf of clemency for Ryan, who was first offered a plea deal of ten years but chose to go to trial. I’m sure it was difficult for a young man, who had never been arrested, and who believed he had done nothing to accept that he should go to prison for ten years, so he went to trial, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole. He is now in his eleventh year of incarceration. Again, this is a young man who was home asleep in bed at the time of the crime. I personally know of no other felony murder conviction where the person was not even present, and the pre-meditated part of the conviction suggests that Ryan knew his car was going to be used in the course of a murder, which to me, isn’t credible. To the best of my knowledge, in the entire history of the criminal justice system in America, no one has ever been convicted and sentenced to life in prison for loaning a car and going to sleep.

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A few years ago I was on a television show with the father of the girl who was murdered in the robbery attempt. The father felt that it was entirely justified that Ryan Holle spend his life in prison. At the time, I couldn’t bring myself to say what I was feeling. I felt the father and mother were a lot more responsible for their daughter’s death than Ryan Holle. The mother did actually serve three years in prison for selling drugs, but both parents in no way should have been involved in selling drugs from their house. It would only be a question of time before the wrong person knocked on the door. In my judgment, parents who would do that with two teenage daughters at home have a lot more responsibility for this tragedy than Ryan Holle.

Ryan writes me from prison telling me that when he gets out, he plans to speak out against the Felony Murder Rule. Unless people of good will and common sense publicize his case, Ryan Holle will die in prison.

Note: Since writing the above, I have been told that Ryan was just denied clemency.

Reading what was made available here, I agree with the verdict. The advocate emphasizes that Holle was "sleeping" when this crime occurred, which I take as a not so clever way to deflect from him aiding and abetting a crime that would not have been possible without his vehicle. Of note is that the advocate never emphasized that Holle had no knowledge of the intentions of his friends when he lent them the vehicle, so he knew they were hitting a lick. A murder that occurs during the commission of a crime makes all parties involved liable. Thats the law, and its just.

Holle fukked up by arrogantly not taking that plea deal. He was dead to rights, and for good reason. He would be home now had he accepted. Whoever this scumbag advocate is who wrote this piece is a real piece of work. At the end he blames the victims parents for their own daughters death because they sold drugs. Beyond classless.
 

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mandatory sentences are partially responsible for our outrageous prison population. :wtf:

a punishment should always fit the crime. I'm sik of these mandatory sentences shytting on everyone :to:

Additional to this, lawyers will just have rich white clients plea down charges in order to avoid whatever guidelines trigger a mandatory sentence. If an entity is corrupt at its core, superficial remedies are useless.

In the past calender year we've had a rapist get around his crime, because his victim was deemed more advanced than her chronological age (wtf does that mean). His teenage victim killed herself by the way. We've had rich kids kill 3 people, and paralyze two others but get off because of "affluenza". And we've had another cat get off on rape charges because he wouldnt be able to handle imprisonment. We have a binary approach to justice, that applies to different types of people. Thats how we roll in America.
 

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The problem with mandatory sentencing is the same problem that plagues the rest of the justice system. Police and prosecutors would still operate under racial and class biases to protect or punish certain classes of people more than others.

If you want to fix the system you have to start with the folks who decide which areas to target and which crimes get prosecuted vs being overlooked.

'Do you know who my parents are?'

As seen in the reluctance to arrest Zimmerman and again in the DuPont heir case would still be the best defense from prosecution, regardless of the possible sentencing.
 

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The problem with this proposal is white people. Theyll find a way around charging equally even if they have to change laws to make sure it effects black/latinos more then whites.
 
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