Is the Native American Struggle = or > than the African American Struggle?

[MeachTheMonster]

Letter written by Lord Jeffrey Amherst to Henry Bonquet.Discussing the use of smallpox blankets.

This was a letter about warfare tactics, and a response to an attack on a colonist village by Native Americans. This is warfare not genocide.

 

[NYC Rebel]

This was a letter about warfare tactics, and a response to an attack on a colonist village by Native Americans. This is warfare not genocide.

People are using bedsheets hoping their enemy sleeps with them in a time of war?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

People are using bedsheets hoping their enemy sleeps with them in a time of war?

Yes, wasn't the first or last instance of chemical warfare.

Read up on the quote. Dont just come in here disagreeing with me. Im not making shyt up.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

This was a letter about warfare tactics, and a response to an attack on a colonist village by Native Americans. This is warfare not genocide.

[May] 24th [1763] The Turtles Heart a principal Warrior of the Delawares and Mamaltee a Chief came within a small distance of the Fort Mr. McKee went out to them and they made a Speech letting us know that all our [POSTS] as Ligonier was destroyed, that great numbers of Indians [were coming and] that out of regard to us, they had prevailed on 6 Nations [not to] attack us but give us time to go down the Country and they desired we would set of immediately. The Commanding Officer thanked them, let them know that we had everything we wanted, that we could defend it against all the Indians in the Woods, that we had three large Armys marching to Chastise those Indians that had struck us, told them to take care of their Women and Children, but not to tell any other Natives, they said they would go and speak to their Chiefs and come and tell us what they said, they returned and said they would hold fast of the Chain of friendship. Out of our regard to them we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect

They were negotiating peace.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Yeah,In war it's normal for one side to give another side blankets out of the kindness of their hearts

 

[MeachTheMonster]

They were negotiating peace.

It was still a war tactic.

Yeah,In war it's normal for one side to give another side blankets out of the kindness of their hearts

No but it is common to negotiate peace while still fighting/preparing for battle. And it is common to use lies and deciet to get an upper hand on the enemy.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Yes, wasn't the first or last instance of chemical warfare.

Read up on the quote. Dont just come in here disagreeing with me. Im not making shyt up.

They were negotiating peace.

It was still a war tactic.




No but it is common to negotiate peace while still fighting/preparing for battle. And it is common to use lies and deciet to get an upper hand on the enemy.

Get your spot took, we rob land like white man,
plans to overthrow your whole shyt, while shaking your hand......- Prodigy

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

It was still a war tactic.

How the hell is it a war tactic if they aren't in war? .

You think all of those Indians died from smallpox by mistake??You don't think the British after at first laughing at the thought of a population being wiped out by smallpox didn't think to themselves "You know what,maybe we should keep spreading this to gain territory so our brothers and sisters can settle here also". You can't be that foolish.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

How the hell is it a war tactic if they aren't in war?

how where they negotiating peace if they weren't at war?

Pontiac's War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You think all of those Indians died from smallpox by mistake??You don't think the British after at first laughing at the thought of a population being wiped out by smallpox didn't think to themselves "You know what,maybe we should keep spreading this to gain territory so our brothers and sisters can settle here also". You can't be that foolish.

That's all conjecture that you made up. No facts or history whatsoever, just emotion.

I'm not foolish, your the one making assumptions and you know what they say about that.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

how where they negotiating peace if they weren't at war?

Pontiac's War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude read the quote,the two natives that were given the smallpox blankets were not the ones that engaged in the rebellions.They were representing natives that were allies w/the British.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Dude read the quote,the Indians that were given the smallpox blankets were not the ones that engaged in the rebellions.They were representing Indians that what were allies w/the British.

First they are not Indians second The native Amercans that were participating in the war were the same ones negotiating with the British.

You dudes don't understand the history so this conversation will never go anywhere. Native Americans didn't like the policies of the settlers. The settlers didn't like the fact that peace with Native Amercans was being forced on them by England. The settlers and the Natives fought while England lobbied for peace

 

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[ohno]

I've been the one sayin most of e died from disease the whole time in this thread....far as the numbers people who wanna downplay the losses the indian took downplay the numbers those who wanna make the loss bigger make it a higher number simple as that....how the hell u gon do a estimate of unchartered territory ? When a gang of indians had already died from diseases before the whites even started to expand? We don't have a clue how many indians it wuz..there's 50 million black people in the us or close to it....u really believe indians were anywhere near close to that? Even if half of us died wed still have numbers to beat the shyt out of the white people that wuz over here at the time the indians wuz beefin with whites

I know what you’ve been arguing, that’s why I said “of course” disease was an overwhelming factor. I’m not talking about the definition of genocide or whatever side argument you have going on – but that’s another thing: the original post refers to “struggle”. It doesn’t say “who suffered/suffers at the hands of white oppressors the most?” so I think you guys are dealing with different interpretations of the question… don’t think you can argue that watching members of your family and community dropping dead inexplicably doesn’t qualify as “struggle” even if it hadn’t been orchestrated by Europeans. You are right that sometimes Euro settlers walked into villages that had essentially become graveyards already due to how fast the disease spread. But again, don’t neglect the cases of outright exploitation and manipulation that resulted in the deaths of many…

As far as population goes, you just revealed that you aren’t even aware of the different sources/methods used for estimating it. How are you going to accept ANY figures if you don’t know anything about archaeology for instance? If you believe for a second that the Americas were “uncharted territory”, well, you’re a good reflection of the shytty history classes we have in US schools. Native Americans had a huge impact on the land/environment and we can SEE this in the archaeological record. You underestimate the societies that existed here and I bet it’s because you’ve not made any attempt to learn about them.

And once again, I'm not making any arguments for whose struggle is/was worse. I'm just tired of people spreading misinformation.

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

People still use "indian" to reference native americans?


That's like buying a box of Generic cereal and calling it Cheerios when they're really Wheat O's.


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