Is this the best back to Africa plan ever?! What’s he overlooking?

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Lots of emotional appeal but no actual substance. How are you making income? You can't "move buying power." No, Black Americans wouldn't want to work at the wages a Chinese or local would to build a railroad. Why would locals in these countries be cool with millions entering their country and not turn xenophobic like 99% of other countries that have a wave of migrants.:skip:
 

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Lots of emotional appeal but no actual substance. How are you making income? You can't "move buying power." No, Black Americans wouldn't want to work at the wages a Chinese or local would to build a railroad. Why would locals in these countries be cool with millions entering their country and not turn xenophobic like 99% of other countries that have a wave of migrants.:skip:
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Lots of emotional appeal but no actual substance. How are you making income? You can't "move buying power." No, Black Americans wouldn't want to work at the wages a Chinese or local would to build a railroad. Why would locals in these countries be cool with millions entering their country and not turn xenophobic like 99% of other countries that have a wave of migrants.:skip:
You are absolutely right. They would not want a massive influx of our people taking over their industries, their lands, their politics. A few of us coming there would be fine, but millions would not be tolerated by the local people. We can tell this because they do not tolerate other African tribes like that; they would not ever tolerate us like that.
 

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Lots of emotional appeal but no actual substance. How are you making income? You can't "move buying power." No, Black Americans wouldn't want to work at the wages a Chinese or local would to build a railroad. Why would locals in these countries be cool with millions entering their country and not turn xenophobic like 99% of other countries that have a wave of migrants.:skip:

You are absolutely right. They would not want a massive influx of our people taking over their industries, their lands, their politics. A few of us coming there would be fine, but millions would not be tolerated by the local people. We can tell this because they do not tolerate other African tribes like that; they would not ever tolerate us like that.
Would there be a divide amongst the ppl? Black Americans, whites, native blks in the nation… would it be like Liberia?
 

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Would there be a divide amongst the ppl? Black Americans, whites, native blks in the nation… would it be like Liberia?
Yes, it absolutely would be. Groups often concern themselves with their own advancement repeatedly. While here in the US, my ethnicity has done that by trying to create coalitions and push forward ideas that are for the greater good of all, other groups do not share that same sort of ideology and display the difference over and over again.

We going over there would not change the nature of other groups, no matter how much we tried to rally them to work together. Instead, we would be attacked, mocked, and constantly worked against by other groups. In fact, as you can see here in the US, the other groups would probably form like Voltron to work against us. They do it here; they would do it there in their own countries.
 

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You are absolutely right. They would not want a massive influx of our people taking over their industries, their lands, their politics. A few of us coming there would be fine, but millions would not be tolerated by the local people. We can tell this because they do not tolerate other African tribes like that; they would not ever tolerate us like that.
Liberia is a good example of what could happen, most likely not the best outcome lol

Ideally we'd have to have our own country


Yeah this would be a huge cultural issue. Oppression would return once again because the native people who've been there forever wont like this . That's basically the same strategy the boers had or the Americoliberians had which led to a bunch of civil wars in the country they moved to.

I think a more practical strategy would be to divide between all the countries for social harmony. When you consider the 1.3 billion population of sub-Saharan Africa, our 30 million non-immigrant black population is only 2% . You can easily fit this into several countries without destroying the social fabric of these countries by dropping 30 million people into a country with only 3 million people like namibia


It also isn't uncommon for an ethnic group to exist in multiple countries due to how arbitrary the borders in Africa were drawn. For example the hausa are spread between Nigeria, niger, parts of ghana, parts of caneroon, and parts of ivory coast. On the Eastern coast of Africa you have groups like the masai livinig in both tanzania and kenya or various luo subgroups living in keyna, south sudan, uganda, and a few in tanzania. So a distributed ethnic population is not without precedent.



Personally I'm of the opinion that integration within these countries isn't that hard. It's just a matter of picking one of the countries out of dozens that you jive with, and picking one ethnic group to learn the language of , and assimilate by picking up their cultural norms and buying into the local economy. I think the idea of going there and trying to be your own separate entity is a recipe for conflict. The goal would be to try to go native, not to be an autonomous region within a country. This was the critical flaw of Liberia.
 

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Yeah this would be a huge cultural issue. Oppression would return once again because the native people who've been there forever wont like this . That's basically the same strategy the boers had or the Americoliberians had which led to a bunch of civil wars in the country they moved to.

I think a more practical strategy would be to divide between all the countries for social harmony. When you consider the 1.3 billion population of sub-Saharan Africa, our 30 million non-immigrant black population is only 2% . You can easily fit this into several countries without destroying the social fabric of these countries by dropping 30 million people into a country with only 3 million people like namibia


It also isn't uncommon for an ethnic group to exist in multiple countries due to how arbitrary the borders in Africa were drawn. For example the hausa are spread between Nigeria, niger, parts of ghana, parts of caneroon, and parts of ivory coast. On the Eastern coast of Africa you have groups like the masai livinig in both tanzania and kenya or various luo subgroups living in keyna, south sudan, uganda, and a few in tanzania. So a distributed ethnic population is not without precedent.



Personally I'm of the opinion that integration within these countries isn't that hard. It's just a matter of picking one of the countries out of dozens that you jive with, and picking one ethnic group to learn the language of , and assimilate by picking up their cultural norms and buying into the local economy. I think the idea of going there and trying to be your own separate entity is a recipe for conflict. The goal would be to try to go native, not to be an autonomous region within a country. This was the critical flaw of Liberia.
How about black Americans buy a country/ piece of land?

In my opinion, I don’t think he thought about security threats. More the likely there will be foreign threats, domestic threats, even USA might be involved in the political sphere and “influence” elections … just my thoughts :hubie:
 

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How about black Americans buy a country/ piece of land?

This has been done before and the issue is that most land has multiple claims on it because land law is not transparent like it is in America.

The biggest issue isn't even integration which in itself is a big issue...its the fact most people would not have a steady stream of income to do such a relocation and the local economies damn sure don't have the jobs to employ a substantial ammount.
 

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This has been done before and the issue is that most land has multiple claims on it because land law is not transparent like it is in America.

The biggest issue isn't even integration which in itself is a big issue...its the fact most people would not have a steady stream of income to do such a relocation and the local economies damn sure don't have the jobs to employ a substantial ammount.
Excellent points!!!
 

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Excellent points!!!

I work remote and make good money so traveling the continent is logistically more feasible. but I can understand thats a small % of us.

I know way to many expats in Africa who went broke trying to live off savings or janky business plans that had to go back home in under a year.
 
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