Jay Z's "2 Many Hoes" foresaw the end of clubbing APPRECIATION

[luckyse7enz]

Just dropped in to say that clubbing hasn't ended. It's probably gotten even more popular SINCE this album dropped.

Also, I always thought, "Why don't you help me out and be out" was hilarious and secretly hoped more people would start using it.

Lastly, "U Don't Know (Remix), Jay-Z blacked out on that in my opinion and I feel like no one ever talks about it. I once pulled up to Target and played that verse 3 times in a row before I got out the car.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Just dropped in to say that clubbing hasn't ended. It's probably gotten even more popular SINCE this album dropped.

Also, I always thought, "Why don't you help me out and be out" was hilarious and secretly hoped more people would start using it.

Lastly, "U Don't Know (Remix), Jay-Z blacked out on that in my opinion and I feel like no one ever talks about it. I once pulled up to Target and played that verse 3 times in a row before I got out the car.

shyt was so disrespectful

 

[Deutsche Bank]

He's the GOAT for a reason.

That was real spit.

Shiiiieeeet

 

[mobbinfms]

This conversation isn't gonna work if you spend more time playing contrarian than reading.

And rock samples were probably considered hardcore back then (also their way of crossing over to cacs).

We agree that Run DMC were a hardcore hip hop act? Can I move on?

I missed that. I'll hold my L.
Nah - let's not use Run DMC. Let's use the gold standard. Mobb Deep. Ok. Go ahead and make your point.

 

[David_TheMan]

I wonder who wrote those for him.

 

[SirBiatch]

I missed that. I'll hold my L.
Nah - let's not use Run DMC. Let's use the gold standard. Mobb Deep. Ok. Go ahead and make your point.

This doesn't work if I can't use Run DMC.

OK... you don't think Run DMC were hardcore (I think you're crazy - they absolutely were in terms of laying down the blueprint). Can you at least admit they had hard beats and hard 'flows?' And by 'flow' I mean vocal delivery. They rapped with bravado. Agree?

 

[little lizard]

"in the midst of all your misery nikka, stay fly
don't ever let em see you frown, even smile when you're down"

god mc tryna lead his flock to prosperity

i floss on my off days

 

[mobbinfms]

This doesn't work if I can't use Run DMC.

Isn't it kind of silly to compare Missy to a group that came on the scene in 83? A group that actually had a comeback in 93? Where they came back "hardcore"?

Why not compare Missy to her contemporaries? Mobb Deep.

 

[SirBiatch]

Isn't it kind of silly to compare Missy to a group that came on the scene in 83? A group that actually had a comeback in 93? Where they came back "hardcore"?

They were always hardcore

Run DMC almost singlehandedly brought the 'street' side into hip hop. They had street fashion, the tough beats and the tough vocal deliveries.

I'm sitting here wondering: do you even know who Run DMC are?

Run-D.M.C Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Run-D.M.C

I'm blown away that we're discussing whether Run DMC were hardcore or not. Here you are calling me woat and you don't even know rap 101.

In addition to bringing rap commercial success, Run-DMC's greatest contribution was bringing the street vibe to the forefront of the genre

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Another link

You sound like you need to do some homework. Just google "run dmc street" and start there.

Why not compare Missy to her contemporaries? Mobb Deep.

Because hardcore hip hop does not begin nor end with Mobb Deep

 

[mobbinfms]

They were always hardcore

Come on breh. In 93 they were rapping about tecs and shooting people.
They're 80s stuff was before my time and I'm not a huge fan of it outside of the classic singles, but I don't remember them rhyming about guns and shooting people.

You say they were hardcore before...ok...they got more hardcore in 93. Cause hardcore in 93 was different from hardcore in 83.

So again, Run DMC is not a good example. You want to choose a different group that was "hardcore" in the late 90s when Missy started popping?

 

[SirBiatch]

Come on breh. In 93 they were rapping about tecs and shooting people.
They're 80s stuff was before my time and I'm not a huge fan of it outside of the classic singles, but I don't remember them rhyming about guns and shooting people.

That's the whole point - gangsta rap is a part of hardcore hip hop but it's not the entire thing. Hardcore hip hop just means 'from the street or the corner'. Hard beats, bravado aggressive delivery. It's a type of sound more than it is content.

You don't have to be poppin gats to make hardcore rap. Obviously people like Mobb Deep who are coming with all that PLUS talking about gangsta shyt are more hardcore. But that doesn't mean that Run DMC are not hardcore at all. They're just less hardcore.

I'm mentioning Run DMC because it's about lineage. As I said before, Missy is a Run DMC stan. Since your knowledge of Run DMC is nonexistent, and seems the same way with Missy, would you allow me to educate you breh?

Cause hardcore in 93 was different from hardcore in 83.

I agree, but it's not that different. At the end of the day, it's still having a street attitude/vibe to your music. The spirit is mostly the same.

 

[mobbinfms]

That's the whole point - gangsta rap is a part of hardcore hip hop but it's not the entire thing.

I agree. I've never claimed to the contrary.

Hardcore hip hop just means 'from the street or the corner'.

Is that what Wikipedia told you?

But that doesn't mean that Run DMC are not hardcore at all. They're just less hardcore.

I never said they weren't hardcore at all. I said "hardcore" wouldn't be the word I would use to describe them. I say that because if someone asked me what hardcore hip hop was, and I started rattling off examples, I'd never get to Run DMC.

Since your knowledge of Run DMC is nonexistent

You ever see them live before JMJ passed?

At the end of the day, it's still having a street attitude/vibe to your music. The spirit is mostly the same.

This is so broad, it basically means nothing. Hardcore is like porn. Hard to put into words, but you know it when you see it (or in this case, hear it). I've never heard Missy rap and thought "she's spitting some hard shyt". I've never heard some new Missy shyt and thought, "is this new MOP". She's not aggressive with her delivery. Her beats aren't hard. And her image is clown.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Coli is making me dig this Song back up.

 

[SirBiatch]

Is that what Wikipedia told you?

Nah, that's what all the internet is saying. You should try doing some reading yourself.

I never said they weren't hardcore at all. I said "hardcore" wouldn't be the word I would use to describe them.

Fair enough, but now we're talking word games. And frankly, from the receipts I've posted and just basic google, you seem to be in the minority on this one.

I say that because if someone asked me what hardcore hip hop was, and I started rattling off examples, I'd never get to Run DMC.

OK... but that's irrelevant. They're not in your generation. And your knowledge is somewhat suspect anyway.

All I'm saying is that they're massive progenitors to the hardcore style you now know and love.

I've never heard Missy rap and thought "she's spitting some hard shyt". I've never heard some new Missy shyt and thought, "is this new MOP".

Why would you think she was? Oh that's right, hardcore hip hop is only Mobb Deep and MOP

She's not aggressive with her delivery. Her beats aren't hard.

I'm only entertaining this discussion out of morbid curiosity. Considering that you haven't actually heard Missy's music, (but of course you feel the need to judge and mock others for it. True Coli poster ), I already know you don't really know what you're talking about.

LOL at Timbo's beats not being hard. You're floundering. Lemme help you out.







Missy's music has never been as hard as Mobb, Nas, MOP etc. Nobody ever claimed that. I'm just saying she works in a loosely hardcore rap style, as opposed to some alternative shyt (e.g. Outkast, Kanye, De La Soul, etc). She collaborated with hardcore rappers her entire career. Sampled them. Shouted them out. They sampled her. Shouted her out. Even her new video has her rocking some Biggie shyt. Work It ends with "Peter Piper." Pay attention, my dude.

But judging by you thinking "Party Life" is a phenomenal beat up there with Jay's best, I'm gonna say you have suspect taste in what makes a great beat. And you probably have no idea what constitutes a hard beat unless told.

And her image is clown.

so was Redman to a certain extent. so was Busta. so was ODB.

 

[mobbinfms]

Fair enough, but now we're talking word games. And frankly, from the receipts I've posted and just basic google, you seem to be in the minority on this one.

Ok. I agree.

OK... but that's irrelevant. They're not in your generation. And your knowledge is somewhat suspect anyway.

All I'm saying is that they're massive progenitors to the hardcore style you now know and love.

Agree. Not on the suspect knowledge part, just the progenitor part.

Why would you think she was?

My bad. I was talking just hearing the beat on a new Missy song. I didn't make that clear.

Considering that you haven't actually heard Missy's music

I told you that right from the jump. I was judging off the singles.
Are you claiming her album cuts are all hard shyt?

obody ever claimed that. I'm just saying she works in a loosely hardcore rap style, as opposed to some alternative shyt (e.g. Outkast, Kanye, De La Soul, etc).

Outkast and De La got some hard shyt.

She collaborated with hardcore rappers her entire career. Sampled them. Shouted them out. They sampled her. Shouted her out. Even her new video has her rocking some Biggie shyt. Work It ends with "Peter Piper."

Who cares?

But judging by you thinking "Party Life" is a phenomenal beat up there with Jay's best, I'm gonna say you have suspect taste in what makes a great beat. And you probably have no idea what constitutes a hard beat unless told.

Ok. That's your opinion.

was Redman to a certain extent. so was Busta. so was ODB.

Redman wasn't at first
ODB was a straight clown, but hard at the same time though.