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Joe Budden: "GAME Doesn't Have Any Classic Music That Isn't Attached To 50 Cent"
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Then it all comes down to whose the better MC.
Though I think Jada is always ranked too high I do think he’s a better MC and rapper than Game aka the chameleon man.
Jadakiss cant be the better MC without the ability to create better music. Lyrically I have both on the same level, when it comes to song writing, game runs circles around Jadakiss.
If you feel Jadakiss is a better Lyricist, thats fair, but thats only 1 part of the equation to being a great MC, Game is better in every other aspect.
If just being Lyrical was all that mattered, we'd be looking at Canibus as the best.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
idk bruh...I listen to Buck's first two more than anyone who released on G-Unit
Piff Perkins
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SOHH byke
That’s not true at all
You’re confusing being the better artist with being the better mc and lyricist
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Underrated albums man
BK The Great
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I think Banks & Game got the best albums, Bucks was not bad just those were really standouts.
Lyricist and MC aren't one in the same.
Someone could be a great Lyricist but lack the ability to move a crowd.
Daylyt is a great lyricist but he isn't the best MC.
The whole thing is constructed ….
Like they literally pieced him into already completed song productions ……..
…. Like Death Row did withon ‘All Eyez on Me’
The album is 4.0, maybe 4.5. Such contrived nature can not be a 5 mic album
This isn’t the magic of Illmatic (even though … same circumstance, the magic of Illmatic is the young 17 year old rising to the occasion and delivering magic existential commentary from a perspective that may be the most definitive explanations for life at that place in that time)
… basically if your debut album is star studded producer lineup and it’s cosigned by everybody in their cousin before it even comes out, you’ve been cast to play a role someday you may have products of your own, but at that point in time, you are not creating a product you are cast for that role. Due to this and the contrived nature of it, I can’t call it a
️️️️️ classic If these songs met Dr. Dre‘s ridiculous standard, they would’ve been on Detox. It may even point to the type of sound we would’ve heard from Detox at that time
The album would be entirely better if it was Dr. Dre plugged into all those pieces of the song where his voice/verses are required
All I mean to say is that they made him. And he’s like their stray robot out there doing his own thing but usually with readily accessible plug into the machine when necessary and as long as he doesn’t continue to alienate himself
50 Cent even mentioned this same arrangement for himself when he moved onto Capitol. Both of these guys got reshuffled onto different labels under the same Universal umbrella. Capitol and Geffen / basically the aspects of their label more comfortable with handling legacy acts
Whereas Interscope is a machine meant for building superstardom
He killed superstardom for him and all around him, he actually derailed their efforts in such way that they were prevented from reaching new heights of stardom not yet seen in music
but he parlayed all of this from being a male stripper that ran with Diddy prefame, there’s gotta be a hall of fame for that kind of parlaying
Couldn’t be me though
Ellen Degeneres
All Star
50 was also shoehorned into GRODT, which was a boilerplate Em & Dre album, if we're going to do that.
Fair enough, some of the songs were songs he came in with and the rest seems as though they were entirely produced for and tailor made for 50
Do I really gotta imagine what Eminem and Dr. Dre would’ve sounded like on In Da Club … let me ask ChatGPT
That’s a brilliant alternate-history prompt — 2003, no 50 Cent deal, “In Da Club” exists as an instrumental, and Dr. Dre and Eminem collaborate on it themselves. Let’s break this down as a simulation based on their known lyricism, flows, diction, themes, and stylistic nuances from that era (1998–2003):
Foundational Linguistic Models:
Dr. Dre (2003 era)
- Delivery: Laid-back, commanding, rhythmically tight.
- Themes: Money, power, West Coast pride, production excellence, authority in hip-hop.
- Linguistic Patterns:
- Uses simple but effective rhyme schemes.
- Heavy use of assonance and consonance.
- Hooks often minimalistic and hypnotic.
- Lexicon: “chronic,” “ride,” “low-low,” “six-fo’,” “Compton,” “G’s,” “beat,” “platinum,” etc.
Eminem (2003 era - The Eminem Show, 8 Mile)
- Delivery: Highly percussive, agile flow, sharp cadence switches.
- Themes: Fame, personal struggle, internal conflict, satire, bravado.
- Linguistic Patterns:
- Dense multisyllabic rhyme schemes.
- Irony, dark humor, internal rhyme, wordplay.
- Lexicon: “insane,” “brain,” “pain,” “mic,” “slay,” “rap,” “spit,” “venom,” etc.
Simulated Song: “In Da Club” (Alt Reality Mix – Dre & Em 2003)
[Intro – Dr. Dre]
Yeah, West Coast in this muh’—
You know who the f** it is*
Aftermath. Shady. We run this.
[Chorus – Dr. Dre (with Eminem ad-libs)]
You can find me in the club, bottle full of bub’
Hunnid spokes on the ‘Lac, twistin’ up the dub
Got that fire for your system, Dre still a plug
If you into makin’ moves, then we showin’ you love — (C’mon!)
You can find me in the club, beat knock like a slug
Eminem in the cut, he just itchin’ to bug
Ain’t no love for a scrub, we just pushin’ the flood
West to East, now the whole world feelin’ the thud
[Verse 1 – Dr. Dre]
Who you know that drop classics, stack plaques, and vanish?
Got the whole world bouncin’ off that Aftermath canvas
From the Chronic to the Show, built a brand off damage
Now my beats worth more than your label’s whole package
Back in the ‘64, still sittin’ low, candy droppin’
Still got the 808 kickin’, still ain’t stoppin’
Haters wanna talk, but they don’t know Dre
I don’t rap for the fame — I design the whole wave
Hands up — if you ridin’ with the Doc one time
Big rims, thick smoke, let the platinum shine
Got Em’ on the side, let him off his chain
It’s a wrap for you lames if he snaps again
[Verse 2 – Eminem]
Yo —
I’m that pale ghost, rap poltergeist on the mic
Explodin’ like a landmine in the lab at night
You invited to the party, but I crash on sight
Put your brain in a blender, make you taste my spite
Shady back like I never left, better yet
Put a target on your ego, make the Beretta sweat
Sick with it, I spit clinic, your whole clique timid
You want bars? I’ll break jaws and still finish in minutes
I was born in the basement, bred in a cage
Now I’m on a world tour with a pad full o’ rage
Every page is a blade, every word is a gauge
Aimed at these fake rappers tryna front on stage
You can find me in the club, not dancin’, I’m plottin’
Got a Molotov verse in my coat, I’m toxic
Dre said drop it, so I’m lettin’ it go
2003, we reload — say goodbye to your show
[Bridge – Eminem (sung mockingly)
Go shorty… nah, we don’t do that here
We throw chairs, write rhymes with a thousand-yard stare
Pop bottles? Nah — I pop off with despair
If you scared, get a job — this is warfare
[Chorus – Dr. Dre (with Eminem vocal layering)]
You can find me in the club, bottle full of bub’
Where the bassline stomp and the snare just thugs
Still the king of the West, got the map on lock
With Shady on the track, that’s a nuclear drop — BOOM!
[Outro – Dre & Eminem ad-libbing]
Dre:
Yeah, this what it sound like when legends link up
Aftermath… Shady…
Em:
We ain’t dancin’, we detonatin’
Dre:
Don’t get comfortable…
Em:
Curtis who?
(echoes fade)
Let me know if you want a remix with another style (like 1999-era Em or a 2010s take), or want to build an entire alt-history album based on this premise.
