Just trying to get our Coli Rating Up - Miami Heat Season thread 2015/16

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Everyone was part of the problem. We all have our factions, and we all assign blame or praise when things go right or wrong to the players we love or hate. Whiteside beasted last night, and was a huge reason why we destroyed The Wizards.

The same way Wade was the best player on our team, and Eastern Conference player of the week, when we went on that 4-game winning streak last month.

In essence, no matter our faction, we're all right, and we're all wrong.

 

[havoc]

Everyone was part of the problem. We all have our factions, and we all assign blame or praise when things go right or wrong to the players we love or hate. Whiteside beasted last night, and was a huge reason why we destroyed The Wizards.

The same way Wade was the best player on our team, and Eastern Conference player of the week, when we went on that 4-game winning streak last month.

In essence, no matter our faction, we're all right, and we're all wrong.

I don't exclude anybody from blame. I am not going to hang on Whiteside nuts and ignore some of the bs that he brought to this team. I have given blame to each players who doesnt perform well.

 

[Draje]

I like Hassan but nikkas act like the dude is without flaws because they see high block totals and rebounds but then don't mention his horrendous PnR defense or those aspects of his game.

Let's not use two games, one without Whiteside, to talk about how Wade and Bosh are the problems. We've had good runs before and then we looked horrible again.

Let's see how our players grow together and see if we cam keep up this pace before we start assigning blame. Our team is looking good but can we stay consistent?

 

[Biscayne]

EVERYBODY was part of the problem. spo being the biggest. but that's not how the media tried to spin it....they put all the blame squarely on hassan. all year they've ran with the narrative that hassan is a selfish player who only cares about himself.....when he was out and the heat were winning it was because hassan was a cancer. he's a black hole who can't play team ball. it's always been bullshyt. last night hassan took a couple ill advised shots early...but they didn't stop giving him the ball. they didn't freeze him out like wade and bosh do at times. that's why he stayed in rhythm and went on to have his best game of the season....that's why the team as a unit stayed in rhythm....they kept moving the ball regardless of some mistakes here and there. so yes....hassan was part of the problem. but spo, wade, and bosh were the main reasons for the team's lack of chemistry.

Ehh, I don't know. We can all spin it any way we want, to make it fit our narrative. But one things for sure, as much noise as we make about the Wade/Whiteside relationship, Wade has always made it his duty to feed Whiteside in his right spots.

They used to joke that Wade basically controlled and guided Whitedside to the rim as if Wade was playing 2k, and Hassan was the player in 2k that Wade was controlling. That's how good Wade was/is(or how good Wade THINKS he is) at finding Whiteside in his spots.



They have whole highlight vids of Wade to Whiteside on youtube. That's how many Alley's Wade gives to Whiteside. I can see why folks would think Spo may have some personal issues with Whiteside, but what has Wade done specifically, or said that was critical of Whiteside?

 

[Biscayne]

I don't exclude anybody from blame. I am not going to hang on Whiteside nuts and ignore some of the bs that he brought to this team. I have given blame to each players who doesnt perform well.

I hope all the players will be on one accord. That's all I can ask. And hopefully they all accept responsibility when things go sour. I trust Whiteside, I trust Spo, I trust Wade, and I trust CB. All we can do is trust!!!!

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Ehh, I don't know. We can all spin it any way we want, to make it fit our narrative. But one things for sure, as much noise as we make about the Wade/Whiteside relationship, Wade has always made it his duty to feed Whiteside in his right spots.

They used to joke that Wade basically controlled and guided Whitedside to the rim as if Wade was playing 2k, and Hassan was the player in 2k that Wade was controlling. That's how good Wade was/is(or how good Wade THINKS he is) at finding Whiteside in his spots.



They have whole highlight vids of Wade to Whiteside on youtube. That's how many Alley's Wade gives to Whiteside. I can see why folks would think Spo may have some personal issues with Whiteside, but what has Wade done specifically, or said that was critical of Whiteside?

he does give him a lot of alley oops but overall this season he hasn't done a great job getting hassan involved in the offense. if it's not an alley oop he hardly ever gets him the ball in the post. 90% of the time wade just uses him for screens and the occasional lob. wade and bosh have both dropped slick comments about hassan this season. bosh with his "he's not injured hes hurt" comments....when hassan plays well, bosh and wade will say he needs to be consistent...and he needs to "put it together".....then after he got ejected, these dudes just say "yea he's taken a step back".....or "he's still gotta mature".....like he's been fukking up all season. they haven't been great "leaders" at all this season. nobody else except them have dropped comments like that regarding hassan. meanwhile dragic publicly called them out for being selfish and not sharing the ball. it was reported that dragic and deng haven't been happy with their reduced roles. with wade and bosh out, they look happy as hell out there. that's not to say we are better with them out. but we will be better if they come back and allow these other guys to play their games.

 

[Biscayne]

he does give him a lot of alley oops but overall this season he hasn't done a great job getting hassan involved in the offense. if it's not an alley oop he hardly ever gets him the ball in the post. 90% of the time wade just uses him for screens and the occasional lob. wade and bosh have both dropped slick comments about hassan this season. bosh with his "he's not injured hes hurt" comments....when hassan plays well, bosh and wade will say he needs to be consistent...and he needs to "put it together".....then after he got ejected, these dudes just say "yea he's taken a step back".....or "he's still gotta mature".....like he's been fukking up all season. they haven't been great "leaders" at all this season. nobody else except them have dropped comments like that regarding hassan. meanwhile dragic publicly called them out for being selfish and not sharing the ball. it was reported that dragic and deng haven't been happy with their reduced roles. with wade and bosh out, they look happy as hell out there. that's not to say we are better with them out. but we will be better if they come back and allow these other guys to play their games.

But how many times can you feed Whiteside in the post? He's still kinda raw down there. He'll get buckets, and turnovers. Whiteside had efficient numbers behind Wade's passing. And it's not like Wade hasn't tried feeding Whiteside. Hell, he's tried more times than any other playmaker on this team to feed Whiteside. Even this season. What's the appropriate Wade to Whiteside passing ratio?



Dragic has also openly complained about Whiteside on occasions. Dragic is notorious for being open and transparent when it comes to how he feels about chemistry. I don't understand why Wade's been singled out when it comes to Whiteside complaints?

 

[Makavalli]

he does give him a lot of alley oops but overall this season he hasn't done a great job getting hassan involved in the offense. if it's not an alley oop he hardly ever gets him the ball in the post. 90% of the time wade just uses him for screens and the occasional lob. wade and bosh have both dropped slick comments about hassan this season. bosh with his "he's not injured hes hurt" comments....when hassan plays well, bosh and wade will say he needs to be consistent...and he needs to "put it together".....then after he got ejected, these dudes just say "yea he's taken a step back".....or "he's still gotta mature".....like he's been fukking up all season. they haven't been great "leaders" at all this season. nobody else except them have dropped comments like that regarding hassan. meanwhile dragic publicly called them out for being selfish and not sharing the ball. it was reported that dragic and deng haven't been happy with their reduced roles. with wade and bosh out, they look happy as hell out there. that's not to say we are better with them out. but we will be better if they come back and allow these other guys to play their games.

When bron bounce i think wade and bosh took it as yea now we the big 2 plus friends instead of buying back into team ball where everybody is rewarded. U kno they looking from the side and looking at tweets saying how are we this good with our supposed 2 best players out especially when hassan has a monster game without them. We dont need hero ball if we blowing teams out. I think everybody should get some blame maybe except dragic because we know the type of pg he is so dont pair him up with a snail offense

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

But how many times can you feed Whiteside in the post? He's still kinda raw down there. He'll get buckets, and turnovers. Whiteside had efficient numbers behind Wade's passing. And it's not like Wade hasn't tried feeding Whiteside. Hell, he's tried more times than any other playmaker on this team to feed Whiteside. Even this season. What's the appropriate Wade to Whiteside passing ratio?



Dragic has also openly complained about Whiteside on occasions. Dragic is notorious for being open and transparent when it comes to how he feels about chemistry. I don't understand why Wade's been singled out when it comes to Whiteside complaints?

I didn't single wade out. bosh and spo have been on the same shyt. actually wade and bosh pretty much follow spo's comments to a T. even after last night's game spo said hassan played great but now it's about consistency. like bytch, maybe he would be consistent if you didn't bench him every time he makes a mistake.....and I think last night hassan received a fair amount of passes down low. early in the season they might pass him the ball once in an entire half. the shyt I liked most is that everybody was getting him involved. the whole team made an effort to get him the ball and it opened up the floor for everybody. the offense didn't look clustered at all....maybe the most wide open the floor has looked all season.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

When bron bounce i think wade and bosh took it as yea now we the big 2 plus friends instead of buying back into team ball where everybody is rewarded

that's exactly what i've been thinking too. not only that, but I think they took bron leaving as a personal challenge. they wanna prove they can win without him and show they weren't just his sidekicks. problem is they were his sidekicks and they aren't in their primes anymore. they need to accept that and adjust their games for the team. they're still gonna be our top 2 guys but it doesn't mean they have to feel obligated to "carry" the team. they always make statements talking about how they're the leaders of the team and it's "up to us to show these guys".....but they don't need to "show" these guys by taking over, they need to show these guys by trusting them. letting them be involved. dragic and deng aren't youngsters, they're seasoned vets who know how to play. we aint going far without wade and bosh. but the only way we can beat the cavs is if both them guys take a step back for the team.

 

[Biscayne]

that's exactly what i've been thinking too. not only that, but I think they took bron leaving as a personal challenge. they wanna prove they can win without him and show they weren't just his sidekicks. problem is they were his sidekicks and they aren't in their primes anymore. they need to accept that and adjust their games for the team. they're still gonna be our top 2 guys but it doesn't mean they have to feel obligated to "carry" the team. they always make statements talking about how they're the leaders of the team and it's "up to us to show these guys".....but they don't need to "show" these guys by taking over, they need to show these guys by trusting them. letting them be involved. dragic and deng aren't youngsters, they're seasoned vets who know how to play. we aint going far without wade and bosh. but the only way we can beat the cavs is if both them guys take a step back for the team.

LBJ sure did play like he was Wade's sidekick during the 1st year of the Big 3 tho.....

Either way, Wade's never been a high-volume shooter anyway. He's always taken the appropriate amount of shots, and he's always been a distributor.. If anything, Wade is trying to prove that he's healthy, un-lazy, and willing to ball out every game. You know the criticisms of Wade always being injured, and always missing games. And the hardest criticisms came after the 2014 Finals...

But I don't think Wade's been particularly selfish this year. Sometimes, wade's REALLY been the only consistent playmaker on this team this year, so having the ball in his hands was beneficial. Wade has a higher career Assist per game average than ALL of our PG's. The problem with Wade I think, was his lack of playing off the ball. You can still have the ball in your hands, without KEEPING the ball in your hands. And that's where Wade gets caught up at times.

But again, at the same time, we've had our best winning stretch of the year, while Wade was leading the offense. The ball was moving, but so was Wade's body......

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

LBJ sure did play like he was Wade's sidekick during the 1st year of the Big 3 tho.....

wade was better than him then.....still don't know why wade took the backseat. he aint been the same since. i'll never get over that choke job by bron in 2011

 

[Biscayne]

wade was better than him then.....still don't know why wade took the backseat. he aint been the same since. i'll never get over that choke job by bron in 2011

It'll never make sense...

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

It'll never make sense...

You can triple team someone when Mike bibby and Joel Anthony are on the floor at the same time

 

[Green Ranger]

Ethan J. Skolnick: Heat's strong play without Bosh, Wade creates more possibilities than concerns

BY ETHAN J. SKOLNICK

eskolnick@miamiherald.com

There was a time, not long ago, when the Heat stood proudly as the most polarizing squad in all of sports, beloved within the boundaries of its homegrown plus bandwagon fan base, loathed by all others.

It was us against them. All of them.

It is not that way anymore.

These days, it is us against us.

The Heat is still plenty polarizing, but on an individual and internal, rather than collective and external, basis. All season, the team’s most passionate followers have engaged in an ongoing battle of blame assessment on social media, as part of an unofficial Heat civil war. Erik Spoelstra. Dwyane Wade. Chris Bosh. Goran Dragic. Hassan Whiteside. Luol Deng. Even Pat Riley. Each has impassioned detractors, who rush to smartphones and tablets and laptops to single out a culprit for whatever goes wrong — a zero sum game where one person’s emergence means another’s suffering.

Now it’s happening even with stuff going right.

It’s time to stop picking sides, and take a quick peek at the bright side. The Heat’s two-game winning streak without Wade and Bosh — including one without Whiteside — should be cause for celebration rather than consternation, recrimination and separation. This has been a validating stretch for some, and that makes it a promising precursor to the stretch run. Two wins don’t mean the Heat is better without either Wade or Bosh; they just give Spoelstra more evidence to present to those and other players, of better ways to incorporate everyone.

It’s one thing, after all, to say it.

Everyone needed to see it.

So, maybe the Whiteside, Bosh and Wade absences were actually blessings in deep disguise — provided Bosh comes back before season’s end.

This period has been constructive and instructive.

It has been constructive for the confidence of Goran Dragic and Luol Deng, in particular, and should swell the confidence of others in them, since both are now doing what they insisted they could, if given greater chance to play to their particular strengths. In the two wins, they’ve combined for 98 points, 33 rebounds and 22 assists, production it has typically taken them roughly four games to achieve.

Deng scored a season-high 30 points and grabbed 11 rebounds to lead the Heat. Feb. 19, 2016. Video by Manny Navarro

MANNY NAVARRO mnavarro@miamiherald.com
The breakout has come, in part, because Dragic is playing with more willing runners, including some usually on the second unit, which should compel Spoelstra to stagger his minutes, more frequently splitting him from Wade, something that, because of the style clash, seemed sensible starting in training camp.

The breakout has come, in part, because Deng has been dynamic as a speed “power” forward, which is where he belongs in the modern game. And if Bosh returns, you could see a repeat of the 2012 playoffs. After Bosh, then the power forward, tore an abdominal muscle. Spoelstra tinkered until he settled on undersized Shane Battier in the “four” spot. When Bosh came back, Spoelstra plugged him in at center, leaving Battier alone. This time, Bosh could slide in for Amar’e Stoudemire, especially with Whiteside thriving in a reserve role.

(Ideally, Saturday was instructive for Whiteside as well, showing him that he can still generate eye-popping, salary-popping numbers off the bench, getting more touches per minute and surrounded by ballhandlers, including Josh McRoberts, who are content getting him posted in great position and getting out of the way.)

He had his best game in a Heat uniform with 19 points, six rebounds and 10 assists. Feb. 19, 2016. Video by Manny Navarro

MANNY NAVARRO mnavarro@miamiherald.com
The breakout has come, in part, because of a Spoelstra tweak, authorizing the forwards — whether Deng, McRoberts or Justise Winslow — to push the pace, rather than just giving it to a guard and trudging to a corner. Miami has posted two of its four highest-scoring games (115 and 114), while averaging 102.9 possessions per 48 minutes, compared with 94.7 before the All-Star break.

And so, naturally, here come the concerns, especially about Wade’s imminent return, as if he’s entirely oblivious to what has occurred in his absence. He has spent his entire career adjusting — whether as a rookie adjusting to a position he has never played (point guard) or a champion superstar accommodating LeBron James by playing more off the ball. Yes, he’s more methodical these days, and no, Dragic and Deng aren’t James.

Yet he has set this sacrifice example, again and again, and this one hardly ranks highest among them. A little more sprinting with Dragic or others early. A little looser leash on the ball at the end, but not too loose, because he’s still the Heat’s best option when it matters most; his continuing crunch-time effectiveness is largely responsible for Miami’s 13-3 record in games decided by five points or fewer or in overtime.

It’s almost offensive to assume he won’t bend at all, after he has seen how well the Heat has played offensively without him.

The true key to Miami’s recent success?

“We’re not thinking,” Deng said.

They’re just playing.

Soon, Wade will be, too.

No need to overthink this either.

“I think we’re going to be OK,” Dragic said. “I’m not worried.”

If he’s at peace, maybe Heat supporters can find some, too.