Brown Ant
Hunter-Gatherer
Eminem's p*ssy ass is a prime example, crying about being punched and shyt like that doesn't happen to everyone across the country. HOWEVER, black rappers also complain about trivial shyt.
Killer Mike Says "New White Rappers" Brought "Self-Pity" To Hip Hop
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Big Mel
@bigboss
I'm aware. but that CAC lord also created the angsty, cac ass rap without rhythm lane and made records about step fathers and his dusted ****** friends.
u done or you wanna whine some more...i mean, your choice?
Premeditated
MANDE KANG
fukkboy, you always in these kind of threads trying to downplay shyt when white folks are being criticized. This thread ain't going nowhere. It's hip hop.
like I said, fukk up.
Existential
Nothing really matters...
Self expression varies in people. One rapper could make a creative, compelling work about missing their father who wasn't home sometimes while another rapper makes a terrible, uninspiring work about their father who was shot and killed.
When it comes to rap, it's not about who went through worse, what matters is how well you express it.
Nobody gets brownie points for going through some fukked up shyt if they're wack, and I don't sleep on anyone who hasn't been through much if they're dope. If someone's been through hell and expresses it well, then I listen. If someone else has only been through rainy days and expresses it well, then I will listen.
Sadness and happiness are on the same continuum. We don't dismiss rappers who make songs about how they had a good day because other rappers are making songs about their terrible lives. That doesn't make sense, does it?
When it comes to rap, it's not about who went through worse, what matters is how well you express it.
Nobody gets brownie points for going through some fukked up shyt if they're wack, and I don't sleep on anyone who hasn't been through much if they're dope. If someone's been through hell and expresses it well, then I listen. If someone else has only been through rainy days and expresses it well, then I will listen.
Sadness and happiness are on the same continuum. We don't dismiss rappers who make songs about how they had a good day because other rappers are making songs about their terrible lives. That doesn't make sense, does it?
Premeditated
MANDE KANG
tirademode
Duncan Hines monument cakes
You talking PL3DGE ? Or Pledge allegiance to the grind 2?
tirademode
Duncan Hines monument cakes
Ah look I appreciate and enjoy most of his work. But you're right on saying that songs such as Stepfather Factory is what Killer Mike is referring to.
And I understand why you don't like him. I don't mind the off beatness of his style , because he's on some chaotic dystopian Phillip K dikk shyt. It's an acquired taste though .
Man mike kind of off on this one. His daddy was a cop and his mama was a teacher or some shyt. He make it sound like every black person in the last 20 years grew up in abject poverty. Im black and we aint had no money but moms wasn't on crack. Its some fukked up white folks. I used to work for DFACs and some of the white homes i went to was a fukkin mess. Father fukking the daughter, moms on meth and oxycotin. Black people catch hell but not all white folks grow up with perfect lives.
The Antagonist
Pro
Yall are acting like the game is over saturated by white MC's. There's about 7 of them that have any type of following or coverage in the game. Add to that, the ones that are popular aren't on video and radio everyday. Only Macklemore is the one on billboard.
Kids are giving each other brain damage on the reg? It ain't like somebody just stole on him and walked off. Dude was bleeding from his brain, he had to go to rehab and had to re-learn how to do simple functions again. I wouldn't call that trivial.
The thing is that i don't really remember a lot of early rap being about the rapper themselves.
I mean rappers would talk about themselves but not so in depth, they would more so be addressing their stage name/persona. And when they did talk about deeper issues, it would be more so about the environment, not so much "this is what I'M going through".
Once you kind of strip away the superficial shyt and start actually putting YOU on wax, your past, your history, you're probably going to draw on the strongest emotions and the experiences attached to them. Pac was really the first rapper i remember feeling like a... therapeutic vibe from, not only for himself but for the audience. From the suicide talk, the anxiety, even shyt like molestation.
Take a song like "dancing in the rain" by blu for instance. Nothing particularly fukked up about his circumstances in that song, but the pressure is real. Constantly second guessing yourself can ruin your life, i can identify with what he was saying.
So i don't think you can pin the invention of "emo" rap on white kids. I just think that a lot of underground (where cacs thrive) acts make music more for themselves than the public. It's definitely more of a therapeutic approach to writing when you're not necessarily worried about what your single is going to be, or selling enough records to pay back an advance.
erker
All Star
Didn't you read the interview??
He specifically mentioned he wasn't talking about El-p, but about alot of white rappers. El-p probably even agrees with Mike's statement. Hell, I am white and I agree with Mike here.
The Blind Man
Illuminated Attitude Adjuster
I feel this way about alot of rappers, I think maybe the generation that has been heavily influenced by Pacs music, I got sick of the "from the streets to the music industry" story a long time ago,
I'm an old head so maybe its indicative of the era I grew up in, but all the emcee's I rated as a youngen, Ra, Kane, Chuck, Krs, G Rap, LL, Slick Rick, didn't have to give you their life story to validate who they were as emcee's, the skillset they had/have separates them.
Kinda fukks me off that we are the only genre within the scope pf popular music I can think off where every fukkin act needs a back story, WTF!!, can you write, spit, DJ, produce, perform to a level where people actually want to listen to, cool I can support that, if they have an interesting back story it will be told anyway.
I'm an old head so maybe its indicative of the era I grew up in, but all the emcee's I rated as a youngen, Ra, Kane, Chuck, Krs, G Rap, LL, Slick Rick, didn't have to give you their life story to validate who they were as emcee's, the skillset they had/have separates them.
Kinda fukks me off that we are the only genre within the scope pf popular music I can think off where every fukkin act needs a back story, WTF!!, can you write, spit, DJ, produce, perform to a level where people actually want to listen to, cool I can support that, if they have an interesting back story it will be told anyway.