KYRIE IRVING NAMES HIS ALL-TIME NBA TEAM

[Professor Emeritus]

Shaq didn't help Kobe score dummy. He was clogging up all the driving lanes.

Kobe with Pippen wins just many chips and has an easier time scoring since the paint wouldn't be clogged by a 7 foot 300lbs behemoth.

1999: 46.5%
2000: 46.8%
2001: 46.4%
2002: 46.9%
2003: 45.1%
2004: 43.8%
Career: 44.7%

Why are nearly all of Kobe's most efficient shooting seasons with Shaq, if he was only a youngun then and Shaq was making it tougher to score?


1999: no data
2000: no data
2001: 24% of shots within 3 feet
2002: 25% of shots within 3 feet
2003: 22% of shots within 3 feet
2004: 32% of shots within 3 feet
Career: 21%

Why did Kobe shoot so many more shots in close when he played with Shaq, if Shaq was clogging the lane?

Along the same lines of thinking, I wonder how a

Curry
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
Hakeem

line-up would look like.

Who the hell would they play though?

 

[Sccit]

Nikkas forget kobe came in 3rd place for MVP in the 2002-2003
season. Without Shaq he maybe picks up another scoring title and a possible MVP, but no rings. Honestly I rather the rings.

BUT IF HE HAD A PIPPEN INSTEAD OF A SHAQ, HE WOULDA HAD BOTH

 

[Sccit]

Trust me when I say this, I watched mj from the beginning. MJ was unreal. Think of it this way, he was stronger than Kobe, faster with a quicker first step, body control was unmatched even now 30 years later. And mj was a better defender period. Oh and bigger hands. MJ was an athletic freak and obviously his midrange game made him even better when you figured he is prolly the goat finisher at the basket.

I respect Kobe he was really good but MJ was another level. It's why even 30 years later you don't see the body control in the air type stuff mj would do routinely. Hell they can't even do ball fakes like mj lol. Dude was 40 still averaging 20+ and blockin people's shyt. Old man takin peoples souls and ball fakin them out they shoes

WHILE PART OF WHAT UR SAYIN IS TRUE, UR LEAVIN OUT KOBE'S STRENGTHS..HE WAS MORE AGILE WITH A BETTER JUMPSHOT AND STRONGER HANDLES.

 

[Sccit]

1999: 46.5%
2000: 46.8%
2001: 46.4%
2002: 46.9%
2003: 45.1%
2004: 43.8%
Career: 44.7%

Why are nearly all of Kobe's most efficient shooting seasons with Shaq, if he was only a youngun then and Shaq was making it tougher to score?


1999: no data
2000: no data
2001: 24% of shots within 3 feet
2002: 25% of shots within 3 feet
2003: 22% of shots within 3 feet
2004: 32% of shots within 3 feet
Career: 21%

Why did Kobe shoot so many more shots in close when he played with Shaq, if Shaq was clogging the lane?








Who the hell would they play though?

FUNNY THAT U STOPPED AT 2004. UR VERY SELECTIVE WITH UR NUMBERS, ANALYTICS BOY.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

FUNNY THAT U STOPPED AT 2004. UR VERY SELECTIVE WITH UR NUMBERS, ANALYTICS BOY.

Kobe didn't play with Shaq anymore after 2004.

 

[Sccit]

Kobe didn't play with Shaq anymore after 2004.

BUT U SAID HIS PERCENTAGES WERE SO MUCH BETTER WITH SHAQ .... HE ALWAYS HOVERED AROUND 45-46 PERCENT, WIT OR WITOUT SHAQ

 

[Professor Emeritus]

BUT U SAID HIS PERCENTAGES WERE SO MUCH BETTER WITH SHAQ .... HE ALWAYS HOVERED AROUND 45-46 PERCENT, WIT OR WITOUT SHAQ

Okay, I'll try to speak slowly and use small words with as few numbers as possible:

From 1999-2002, the years he played heavy minutes in Shaq's prime, he averaged 46.7% and was very consistent about it.
From 2005-2013, the post-Shaq years before he declined, he averaged 45.2% and only went over 46.1% once


The claim that was made was that Shaq clogging up the lane hurt his percentages. That was OBVIOUSLY wrong. Even if I just showed that his percentages were the same, it would be proven wrong - the fact that he averaged a couple points better makes it even clearer.

And the fact that he scored at the rim more with Shaq there just completely destroys your argument altogether.

26% of his shots at the rim in the last four years with Shaq, only 20% of his shots at the rim from 2005-2013. Kobe literally NEVER shoots even 25% of his shots at the rim in a single season after 2005. How do you explain that and still claim that Shaq being in the lane is what was clogging things up for Kobe and preventing him from better scoring numbers?

 

[Sccit]

Okay, I'll try to speak slowly and use small words with as few numbers as possible:

From 1999-2002, the years he played heavy minutes in Shaq's prime, he averaged 46.7% and was very consistent about it.
From 2005-2013, the post-Shaq years before he declined, he averaged 45.2% and only went over 46.1% once


The claim that was made was that Shaq clogging up the lane hurt his percentages. That was OBVIOUSLY wrong. Even if I just showed that his percentages were the same, it would be proven wrong - the fact that he averaged a couple points better makes it even clearer.

And the fact that he scored at the rim more with Shaq there just completely destroys your argument altogether.

26% of his shots at the rim in the last four years with Shaq, only 20% of his shots at the rim from 2005-2013. Kobe literally NEVER shoots even 25% of his shots at the rim in a single season after 2005. How do you explain that and still claim that Shaq being in the lane is what was clogging things up for Kobe and preventing him from better scoring numbers?

GOOD JOB, U ACTUALLY MADE A POST THAT WASNT 99% NUMBERS. ITS GOOD TO SEE THAT YOURE NOT FULL ROBOT, BUT IT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACTS.. KOBES PERCENTAGES WERE NOT AFFECTED BY SHAQ. IT WAS HIS OVERALL SCORING. AT THE RIM OR NOT (THIS WASNT MY ARGUMENT), KOBE WOULDA BEEN SCORING WAY MORE WITOUT SHAQ THERE. PERIOD.

 

[Swagnificent]

1999: 46.5%
2000: 46.8%
2001: 46.4%
2002: 46.9%
2003: 45.1%
2004: 43.8%
Career: 44.7%

Why are nearly all of Kobe's most efficient shooting seasons with Shaq, if he was only a youngun then and Shaq was making it tougher to score?


1999: no data
2000: no data
2001: 24% of shots within 3 feet
2002: 25% of shots within 3 feet
2003: 22% of shots within 3 feet
2004: 32% of shots within 3 feet
Career: 21%

Why did Kobe shoot so many more shots in close when he played with Shaq, if Shaq was clogging the lane?








Who the hell would they play though?

Kobe's FG% fell a lot the last 2 years cause he was old and broken down.

Before that his career average was around 46%.

Kobe's FG% was higher in 2005-2009 without Shaq than it was with Shaq.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe's FG% fell a lot the last 2 years cause he was old and broken down.

Before that his career average was around 46%.

Kobe's FG% was higher in 2005-2009 without Shaq than it was with Shaq.

COmplete lies. I already posted the 2005-2013 numbers (before he broke down).

 

[Swagnificent]

COmplete lies. I already posted the 2005-2013 numbers (before he broke down).

I said 2005-09. He started falling apart in 2010. Was not the same player anymore. Needed to get his knee drained every other week.

2013 was a rebirth season till he blew the achilles.

But Kobe wasn't really Kobe anymore after 2009.

 

[Truefan31]

WHILE PART OF WHAT UR SAYIN IS TRUE, UR LEAVIN OUT KOBE'S STRENGTHS..HE WAS MORE AGILE WITH A BETTER JUMPSHOT AND STRONGER HANDLES.

No he wasn't, MJ, especially in the 80s, was more agile and his handles were great, especially with the bigger hands. It's why when he switched to a pg for a short time, he basically averaged high level triple doubles.

No disrespect to Kobe, but again MJ was an athletic freak, still is 30 years later.

 

[Sccit]

No he wasn't, MJ, especially in the 80s, was more agile and his handles were great, especially with the bigger hands. It's why when he switched to a pg for a short time, he basically averaged high level triple doubles.

No disrespect to Kobe, but again MJ was an athletic freak, still is 30 years later.

BRUH, THE WAY KOBE CAN CONTORT HIS BODY, SHOOT OFF-BALANCED SHOTS, SHOTS WHERE HIS SHOULDERS AINT EVEN SQUARED UP OFF 1 LEG, THATS ALL AGILITY. JORDAN WAS A STIFF IN TERMS OF AGILITY COMPARED TO KOBE. HE DID HAVE BIGGER HANDS, N THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE. BUT AS I MENTIONED, KOBE HAD HIS ADVANTAGES TOO.. MAINLY, A SWEETER STROKE AND WIDER ARRAY OF MOVES ON OFFENSE. NO DISRESPECT TO MJ EITHER, BECAUSE HE'S NOT LEBRON.. HE'S DEFINITELY ARGUABLE AS GOAT. BUT SO IS KOBE.

 

[TrebleMan]

Kobe probably does have the best handle/array of moves of any wing SG/SF in league history. Dude has added single move to his game that any NBA player was known for up until he retired:

MJ fadeaway
Dream Shake
AI crossover
DWade stepback
Shamgod
Dirk fadeaway
hand over ball shot hesitation (it's been around, but Curry does it a lot)

etc.

Also used plenty of these moves against the same players. End of the day, Kobe was like a create-a-player in real life.

 

[Truefan31]

BRUH, THE WAY KOBE CAN CONTORT HIS BODY, SHOOT OFF-BALANCED SHOTS, SHOTS WHERE HIS SHOULDERS AINT EVEN SQUARED UP OFF 1 LEG, THATS ALL AGILITY. JORDAN WAS A STIFF IN TERMS OF AGILITY COMPARED TO KOBE. HE DID HAVE BIGGER HANDS, N THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE. BUT AS I MENTIONED, KOBE HAD HIS ADVANTAGES TOO.. MAINLY, A SWEETER STROKE AND WIDER ARRAY OF MOVES ON OFFENSE. NO DISRESPECT TO MJ EITHER, BECAUSE HE'S NOT LEBRON.. HE'S DEFINITELY ARGUABLE AS GOAT. BUT SO IS KOBE.

Contorting his body is what made MJ again incredible. Nobody had his body control, especially in the air. To this day there isn't anyone with the hang time and body strength to do what mj has done routinely. He was faster, quicker, stronger and bigger hands. It's also what made him a great defender. But it's your opinion which is all good. I respect Kobe but I've watched both play their entire careers. MJ was unreal.

But honestly we in here to talk about leflop and his supposed great defense even though JJ Barea and flabby Kidd were giving him work