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Honestly I don't know what say. But it seems like the pov of the documentary is some what disingenuous because it focuses on the worse of the worst students. Ultimately I feel like this may come as a gross over generalization as to how bad / complex the problem is of higher learning amongst inner city African Americans. It's a lot deeper than them not showing the tenacity to want to learn, but more so a reflection of the systematic failure of how poverty drives segments of the population to these extreme circumstances.

I cringed like hell when I saw that new electronic chalkboard in the math class with all those knuckleheads...I remember in elementary school, they tried to put my in the special remedial program at school too but my mom fought against that. Now I see why it's so problematic...
 

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I'm about halfway through this right now and had to stop for a minute just to say, this is honestly part of the problem. We're not helping anything by putting all these kids together under one school. That's gotta be one of the WORST decisions ever. The shyt is basically priming them for what prison life would and could be like. All you see is the worst. They're already living in hell so why make them go to school in too? They need exposure to something positive more than anything... We oughtta be working to spread them out among some best schools and see what changes it make for them.
 

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I'm about halfway through this right now and had to stop for a minute just to say, this is honestly part of the problem. We're not helping anything by putting all these kids together under one school. That's gotta be one of the WORST decisions ever. The shyt is basically priming them for what prison life would and could be like. All you see is the worst. They're already living in hell so why make them go to school in too? They need exposure to something positive more than anything... We oughtta be working to spread them out among some best schools and see what changes it make for them.

one reason you can't spread them out among the "best schools" is because they won't be able to keep up..when you can't keep up in school you fall into self-fufilling prophecies and use behavior to hide your inconsistencies

to have them in a normal class with so many disruptions will hinder the potential of the rest of the class. bad kids really change the culture of a classroom. that's why they got kicked out in the first place

they all have IEPs for being emotionally disturbed coupled with adhd, learning disabilities in reading and math etc.. school begins to sound like a foreign language with no translator.

i don't really see any other options. if they prove successful at this school, then they can go back to a regular cps school
 

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one reason you can't spread them out among the "best schools" is because they won't be able to keep up..when you can't keep up in school you fall into self-fufilling prophecies and use behavior to hide your inconsistencies

to have them in a normal class with so many disruptions will hinder the potential of the rest of the class. bad kids really change the culture of a classroom. that's why they got kicked out in the first place

they all have IEPs for being emotionally disturbed coupled with adhd, learning disabilities in reading and math etc.. school begins to sound like a foreign language with no translator.

i don't really see any other options. if they prove successful at this school, then they can go back to a regular cps school

I'm not suggesting you throw them in automatically with the regular standards of that school. I'm saying, the best supposedly have something very well going for them right? So why not supplement that with a program that would tend to the needs of those that have absolutely nothing going for them. If you live in hell and you're forced to go to school in hell, then what more can you honestly imagine aside from hell? Exposing them to an environment drastically different could do wonders. Is that to say that they'll suddenly climb and become a legitimate competitor among the peers in the school? Not exactly, no. But they'd at least be exposed to a number of peers their same age that value their education and have expectations for the future. This could rub off on them and encourage them to do the same.
 

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it's a school for those who would already be expelled from all the other schools. I mean that one girl had attacked a teacher at her old school, and broke the teacher's arm. that should be prison. now at least the kids have a slim chance if they can stay out of trouble.

But I don't like the cameras and putting their personal business out for the voyeurs - there's already enough pressure, why add pseudo celebrity status on top of it?
 

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I'm not suggesting you throw them in automatically with the regular standards of that school. I'm saying, the best supposedly have something very well going for them right? So why not supplement that with a program that would tend to the needs of those that have absolutely nothing going for them. If you live in hell and you're forced to go to school in hell, then what more can you honestly imagine aside from hell? Exposing them to an environment drastically different could do wonders. Is that to say that they'll suddenly climb and become a legitimate competitor among the peers in the school? Not exactly, no. But they'd at least be exposed to a number of peers their same age that value their education and have expectations for the future. This could rub off on them and encourage them to do the same.

i understand your point, and agree hell begets hell

but if they're not with the regular standards of the school (which all states are adopting the common core curriculum) then they will be self-contained, like they are now. and if they are self-contained in a regular school in some sort of supplemental program then they will be stigmatized by students, parents, teachers, and administrators as the bad kids, trouble, dangerous, crazy etc anyways

the kid said 4x4 was 8, and they were doing a 6th grade standard. multiplication is a 3rd grade standard. in a normal sized classroom, the teacher could not deliver remediation to that specific kid and a the same time teach the middle school standards to the rest of the class

i see it everyday. i teach special education in middle school, and many of our students that do not have an IEP don't know their times tables we try to supplement it by teaching them chants, and we teach the whole class at the same time. we have cooperative kids to be able to execute that. when students do not cooperate they are removed from class
 

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I'm about halfway through this right now and had to stop for a minute just to say, this is honestly part of the problem. We're not helping anything by putting all these kids together under one school. That's gotta be one of the WORST decisions ever. The shyt is basically priming them for what prison life would and could be like. All you see is the worst. They're already living in hell so why make them go to school in too? They need exposure to something positive more than anything... We oughtta be working to spread them out among some best schools and see what changes it make for them.

They would just drag the good students down.
 

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Honestly I don't know what say. But it seems like the pov of the documentary is some what disingenuous because it focuses on the worse of the worst students. Ultimately I feel like this may come as a gross over generalization as to how bad / complex the problem is of higher learning amongst inner city African Americans. It's a lot deeper than them not showing the tenacity to want to learn, but more so a reflection of the systematic failure of how poverty drives segments of the population to these extreme circumstances.

I cringed like hell when I saw that new electronic chalkboard in the math class with all those knuckleheads...I remember in elementary school, they tried to put my in the special remedial program at school too but my mom fought against that. Now I see why it's so problematic...

it is what it is, i dont think its representative of the overall system but it is real

i think the school needs to be shut down, its not just the students but the adults themselves dont have a good management system, the teachers are heroes but the system is broken completely and it looks like the teachers themselves are lost

i think the most cringifying thing was the lost empty look on the mother's face
 
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