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They already comparing the end of their respective careers. When Mike retired the first two times other teams were happy it gave them a chance to win. LBJ they don’t really care like that because he wasn’t a dominant winner like that in the finals. Which is why he’s starting to diss ring culture.

I can say LBJ had the East on lock for years in Cleveland he just couldn’t continue to win in the finals. They were starting to feel that way about Lebron they felt like Mike but Golden State prevented that. Lebron almost did reach where Mike was. He just couldn’t win in the finals. He should’ve never went to LA. Maybe get more pieces worked it out with Kyrie.
 
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Mj and Rodman joined a team that won as much as 57 games without them.

So it would be like Lebron at age 32 and another all-nba would be joining a team that was better than this years NY Knicks, then 3 years later retire at 35.

Context matters.

LeBron is 40, Jordan was 35. And they played in different types of teams.


I dont understand why people need to reach and create pointless comparisons just to say that Jordan is better than LeBron. Just say MJ was more consistent and clutch when it most mattered, instead of all that bullshyt. Then you can say LeBron did it in different eras, with different teams, conferences which is impressive too, but mj never tried so it’s pointless to compare.
 
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This would be more appropriate if it had been contrasted between Lebron and Kareem, rather than Lebron and Michael.
Not in terms of comparing their greatness, but rather because of how vastly different Michael and Lebron were treated.

Fans have often largely praised Michael for being an arrogant and selfish player, and brutal teammate. Only to turn around and praise his modesty when speaking publicly about all-time rankings.

Fans have largely bashed Lebron for NOT being the arrogant and selfish and brutal teammate that Michael was. And also bash him for his arrogance regarding his place in all-time rankings.

And the major athlete who called this out was Kareem (pasting an old comment from years ago...but the link to Kareem's article on Newsweek is there for anyone who wants the full context):

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Michael argued with Wilt over which one of them was the greatest. So maybe cut the bullshyt about what old players would or would never say.

That said, Kareem stated he was disappointed in Lebron's claim of the GOAT and I agree with him.


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: LeBron James is bigger than the GOAT debate, he's a hero for our time

Finally, the GOAT question, which runs through the media like a nasty STD: "Who is the Greatest of All Time?" A month ago, LeBron claimed the title for himself during an ESPN interview, saying he deserves the title because he gave Cleveland its first championship in decades after an improbable comeback from being behind by three games to one. "That one right there made me the greatest player of all time," he proclaimed.

It's a little disappointing hearing him play this imaginary game, which is akin to asking, Which superpower is better, flying or invisibility? I get asked this question a couple times a week, and my answer is always the same: The game has changed so much over the years that there is no leveling rubric to take into account the variables. So, sorry, LeBron, you're not the GOAT because it's a mythological beast. It's like asking, How big is the horn on a unicorn?
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And so I think the closer parallel would be...both KAJ and LBJ were great players from the very beginning. Both had long careers. Both were good teammates who probably could have been more selfish but weren't. The difference is KAJ was a bit more wise (or maybe less interested is a better way to phrase it) to get involved in the GOAT nonsense.
 
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Harry B said:
Mj and Rodman joined a team that won as much as 57 games without them.

So it would be like Lebron at age 32 and another all-nba would be joining a team that was better than this years NY Knicks, then 3 years later retire at 35.

Context matters.

LeBron is 40, Jordan was 35. And they played in different types of teams.


I dont understand why people need to reach and create pointless comparisons just to say that Jordan is better than LeBron. Just say MJ was more consistent and clutch when it most mattered, instead of all that bullshyt. Then you can say LeBron did it in different eras, with different teams, conferences which is impressive too, but mj never tried so it’s pointless to compare.
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The 93-94 had Horace Grant & Bill Cartwright and won 55 games

The Bulls were 34-31 when MJ rejoined the Bulls in 94-95

The Bulls would've lost in the first round if MJ didn't unretire

The Bulls didn't seek out Rodman...they simply wanted someone who could get at least 10 boards a game, Rodman became available and they got him for Will Perdue bc Rodman's value was at an all time low

Context matters
 
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RedBull said:
Two things:

1. The Coli told me that mentality doesn’t matter.

2. How are you fighting for 1st when you’re not a lock for 2nd, 3rd, or 4th?
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The only separation among all these all-time greats is competitive mentality.

I remember Tim Duncan was in rare revenge mode in the 2014 playoffs cause of how they lost the chip to the 2013 Heat. Tim said we want to face the Heat and went out and snatch their shyt. That’s competitive mentality that builds dynasties.
 
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