"Lebron only has this impact because the team/system is built around him"

[onelastdeath]

I get so tired of seeing this retarded ass opinion.

ALL teams are built around their star player.
That's why they're called FRANCHISE players. The roster, marketing strategy, and hell even at times the Coaching Staff is built around the franchise player.

That's the fukking point of being a franchise talent

Dwight surrounded by shooters in his dominant Orlando days, plus 3+D and stretch 4s? Needed to give him space to operate in the paint and kick out to legitimate threats when he's doubled. Not to mention keeping big bodies out the paint who have to guard those stretch 4s.

Harden right now? Same deal. To give him space to wreak havoc in the paint.

Is Lebron the only player in the game and in history who has his team directly built around his strengths?

Are franchise players supposed to have players around them who don't compliment their skill set?

Would it be better if someone with the Shooting, off ball offense, and Passing Ability of Steph Curry be surrounded by a bunch of undersized slow feet scrubs who can't pass and or knock down open shots? Or does he need someone as versatile as Draymond who can make all the right passes after screens, get rebounds, and knock down open 3s? Klay Thompson who can guard the opposing team's best perimeter player so that Curry (a capable perimeter defender) can dedicate as much energy to his offense as possible.



This shyt is fukking dumb.

You wanna know what happens when GM incompetence stops them from building a team around their franchise player? See Lebron's first run with the Cavs.

 

[Mad Good Dro]

shyts a dumb argument

Apparently its a knock on lebron cuz he quote on quote ''built the team himself'' and it wasn't built the right way by some cac gm :Ohyeahlol:

c00ns stay exposing themselves on here

 

[onelastdeath]

shyts a dumb argument

Apparently its a knock on lebron cuz he quote on quote ''built the team himself'' and it wasn't built the right way by some cac gm :Ohyeahlol:

c00ns stay exposing themselves on here

The worst part is, all team sports are built around their franchise talents

The FLABBOYS have a mobile QB who can scramble, and make almost every pass, and a young dynamic RB who is a pretty good combo of speed and power. Well yeah, you probably wanna get a great o line to build around them to maximize their capabilities

fukking common sense

 

[Premeditated]

Same shyt I said with Westbrook. If Lebron had a legit jumpshot and 3pt game, you think he will willingly lebulldooze to the rim to kick out for those assist? hell no. His teammates play to his strength. Legit all star bigmen like Klove and Bosh have turned into spot up 3 and D guys playing with him. He's so ball dominant, his teammates don't know how to play without him because they never developed a rhythm

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

If anything Lebron is the one superstar in history that that lazy argument applies to the least.

 

[JahBuhLun]

If anything Lebron is the one superstar in history that that lazy argument applies to the least.

That's why i never understood the hate he got for leaving to go to the Heat. He actually overachieved with the team he had, but he was never going to have all star caliber teammates because they were never a lottery team with him playing for the Cavs. And no free agent of worth was or is coming to Cleveland. He has to be ranked top 3 all time just based on his ability to get to the Finals. I honestly believe you throw him on any team right now and they are odds on favorite for reaching the Finals.

 

[acbjr22]

Same shyt I said with Westbrook. If Lebron had a legit jumpshot and 3pt game, you think he will willingly lebulldooze to the rim to kick out for those assist? hell no. His teammates play to his strength. Legit all star bigmen like Klove and Bosh have turned into spot up 3 and D guys playing with him. He's so ball dominant, his teammates don't know how to play without him because they never developed a rhythm

they are third options. of course their numbers were going to go down. Bosh was never a back to the basket player anyway though, he was a face-up big. Klove always had a versatile game.

Did he turn Kyrie into a spot up shooter? Did he turn Dwade into a spot up shooter?

 

[brother walt]

Same shyt I said with Westbrook. If Lebron had a legit jumpshot and 3pt game, you think he will willingly lebulldooze to the rim to kick out for those assist? hell no. His teammates play to his strength. Legit all star bigmen like Klove and Bosh have turned into spot up 3 and D guys playing with him. He's so ball dominant, his teammates don't know how to play without him because they never developed a rhythm

Do u want to win a championship or score 30 a game and never make the playoffs or out first round

 

[Monsanto]

The problem is he turns himself into the only playmaker and ensures no others can do what he does. Look at Cleveland when he takes a seat on the bench. They have no clue on how to run an offense.

One of the few knocks on him is he is so greedy for the spotlight he sabotages his team to ensure he can rack up those assists. He's a great passer but forces himself to be the only way an offense can run.

So it is built around him for him to have this impact because he doesn't want playmakers on the team. And his out is always, "we need more playmakers."

Blameless, he always comes out on top.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Actually it's not a dumb argument. . It's not diss either. Like I said in the series thread LBJ is the exact same as Peyton Manning.

You're right every team builds the system around the star BUT not every system allows a player to essentially make every decision.

It's actually pretty incredible how close they are. Just like everyone jokes about Bron being the coach is the same thing people said about Peyton.

Now the set up is obviously very successful but the drawbacks are when something gets thrown off(timing with receivers or Bron comes out) The system is going to look a lot worse.

So in Cleveland's case, do they look a lot worse when Bron sits or misses a game? Yes

Could you create another system over an off season that would be very successful around Love and Kyrie? Of course

 

[The Fire]

Actually it's not a dumb argument. . It's not diss either. Like I said in the series thread LBJ is the exact same as Peyton Manning.

You're right every team builds the system around the star BUT not every system allows a player to essentially make every decision.

It's actually pretty incredible how close they are. Just like everyone jokes about Bron being the coach is the same thing people said about Peyton.

Now the set up is obviously very successful but the drawbacks are when something gets thrown off(timing with receivers or Bron comes out) The system is going to look a lot worse.

So in Cleveland's case, do they look a lot worse when Bron sits or misses a game? Yes

Could you create another system over an off season that would be very successful around Love and Kyrie? Of course

No you can't lmao especially not those idiots at cleveland
Comparing a basketball player, where there's 5 players on a team to a QB a position with a very specific role is retarded

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No you can't lmao especially not those idiots at cleveland
Comparing a basketball player, where there's 5 players on a team to a QB a position with a very specific role is retarded

If you think a decent coach could not make the playoffs in the east with those two then you think very poorly of Nba coaches.

Besides Love got the .500 in the West with dogshyt in Minnesota

 

[The Fire]

If you think a decent coach could not make the playoffs in the east with those two then you think very poorly of Nba coaches.

Besides Love got the .500 in the West with dogshyt in Minnesota

I don't think making the playoffs in the East equates to "very successful"

 

[WMG the 2nd]

If Lebron could play off ball or had a consistent jumper he would be the best player of all time. Nobody on his team develops or gets better because they become bron style players

I can't think of one player that was drafted or played multiple years with Lebron where if they left the team they would be great

Danny green is the only guy but he wasn't shyt in Cleveland and ended up becoming the style of player Lebron would need on the floor to thrive: three and d

 

[Stop_It_5]

The problem is he turns himself into the only playmaker and ensures no others can do what he does. Look at Cleveland when he takes a seat on the bench. They have no clue on how to run an offense.

One of the few knocks on him is he is so greedy for the spotlight he sabotages his team to ensure he can rack up those assists. He's a great passer but forces himself to be the only way an offense can run.

So it is built around him for him to have this impact because he doesn't want playmakers on the team. And his out is always, "we need more playmakers."

Blameless, he always comes out on top.

Bingoooooo

the #s or impact he has are gonna be had no matter what, he's an all-time player. But it's a joke when people start crying that he needs more help or the team around him is trash when they suck in the regular season without him or blow leads during playoff games with him on the bench.

When you take him out of the lineup things get tough because they continually run an offense through and around Brawn. When Brawn is out the offense changes to something they never try to practice or implement. It's a team built specifically FOR and BY him.