Leftwing facists pepper spray 8 year old girl

[CHL]

This "fascism is left-wing" nonsense -- I don't wanna hear about this ever again. Not even when you tell me that you were better off keeping quiet.

I don't wanna hear about this ever again. Not even when she tell him that they better as friends.

 

[Nomad1]

Before I begin to attack your arguments, I believe that Fascism was a historically Leftist ideal because like modern day American Liberalism, it is a descendant of Progressivism, and Fascism has been redefined as a "Right-wing" or "Conservative" ideal because of its associations with Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany, which essentially conflated "sexism", "racism, "homophobe", etc with that ideology. As author Jonah Goldberg put it, "Fascism essentially is a modern day word for 'heretic'".
I am going off of this definition of Fascism;

"Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politics and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as a political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure"
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This is literally the polar opposite of communism, which demands the abolition of class society; identifies the state as an instrument of class rule and the nation as a bourgeois ideological fiction to facilitate and cover the rule of the ruling class; and supports the establishment of a stateless, classless society.

That is a disingenuous analysis, you're presenting Communism and Fascism as two polar opposites when this isn't the case. Both are different variants of statism, has a one party/man system (dictatorship of the rich and dictatorship of the poor), use of collectivism (nationalism and classism), the states use of totalitarianism, etc.

In practise both are incredibly similar. Communism may preach about eliminating a class system, but state capitalism and autocratic control is still there (in Communisms case the poor fills the role of the rich, thus making it the "dictatorship of the poor"). Merely using the class system distinctions does not make it "polar opposites", but a theory with some differences but a lot of similarities in practise, as I noted earlier.

Further driving my point is from this quotation from Jonah Goldberg, an author that has studied and written on Fascism;

"Obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that fascism and communism are opposites. In reality they are closely related historical competitors for the same constituents seeking to dominate and control the same social space"
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please explain how your talk of "utopian visions" and "monopoly of power by using terror" provide any insight into the fundamental similarities between fascism and communism?

When I talked about "utopian visions", I was referring to the social space in which Communism and Fascism share; the ability of people to collectively strive for the betterment of people under a nationalistic and class banner. Again, these are similarities to Communism and Fascism.

"Monopoly of power by using terror" is quite an obvious similarity between the two ideologies, militarism (and state sponsored terror) in Communism is an important element in creating a strong Communist foundation. Militarism and terror is an essential tool for a global Communist revolution, and it's the only tool to allow the dictatorship of the poor to remain intact against the Capitalistic aggressors. This is also an essential core to Fascism, it was seen as a means to organize society in a productive way, it was a means to achieve desirable ends. So in that respective, "power" and "terror" are two themes shared in Communism and Fascism.

Throwing out "collectivism" as a characteristic is not useful for analysis in itself. Collectivism to what ends?

Collectivism leans more towards the left so of course im going to use the word when talking about "Communism", "Socialism", "Fascism". Collectivism as in state matters (i.e. Stalin's collectivization of the Soviet Unions agricultural sector) or as a means to mobilize the population (i.e. Nationalism), and so on.
Initially, no one asked me "collectivism to what ends", people mistakenly thought leftist-fascism does not exist (which is obviously wrong since the "Liberal Progressives" pepper-spread a family because they voted for Trump, which is ironically Fascist since they attempted to use fear in order to get their point across because "they know what's best for you and I" (an extreme Leftist thought) I merely showed in a simplified way, collectivism is a leftist ideal in many ways.

And Marxism doesn't have much to do with "creating a utopia;"

Yea you're right, I conflated Social Marxism with Marxism, the former believes in the Utopia.

Or perhaps you should read any of these

Again, I see why you would think Fascism isn't a Leftist ideal since it has had a historic "relationship" with Nazism (or Hitlerism). The sources you linked are full of books that look at Nazism AND Fascism, both are not synonymous. Nazi Germany was socialist (used "National Socialism) and it is evident from these things;

"1. They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs
2. They confiscated inherited wealth
3. Spent vast sums on public education
4. They purged the Church from public policy
5. Inserted their authority in every day life"
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Hitlerism was a Nazi ideology that wanted to spread White Supremacy through Social Darwinism. That has nothing to do with Fascism, and some of those books which you clearly didn't read, tries to conflate those terms or not attempt to show its distinctions, at best.

So not only does the term and others like it lack scientific precision (which, as is evident from your previous posts, isn't a concern of yours), it falls back on a silly theory that basically exalts the golden mean fallacy.

The term "lacks scientific precision" because the term itself is still being debated by scholars today;

"What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious. Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets....Fascists are generally strongly anti-capitalist subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the State."
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You're out here cherrypicking quotes with no sources and no context, so I don't think any of this warrants much of a response. See what I said earlier about your repeated claims about fascism and communism occupying "the same ideological space."

Liberal Progressives have not only coined the term "Liberal Fascists", they "wore it as a badge of honour";

"That honour falls on HG Wells, one of the greatest influences on progressive mind in the 20th century. Nor did Wells coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honour. Progressives must become 'Liberal Fascists' and 'enlightened Nazis' he told the young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932"


source: Philip Coupland, "H.G. Well's 'Liberal Fascism'. "Journal of Contemporary history 35, no 4 (Oct. 2000) p. 549​

This "fascism is left-wing" nonsense -- I don't wanna hear about this ever again. Not even when you tell me that you were better off keeping quiet.

Really? So Liberals who coined, used, and wore it as a badge of honour were saying "nonsense"?

And you like to babble and sooth your ego behind your "big vocabulary", the only thing you did was clearly defined Marxism for me (and I am thankful for that since I was wrong on that), but you didn't show how Fascism isn't a Leftist-ideal since the jist of your argument was centralized with "Fascism has a different class-system belief than Communism therefore their polar opposites, and the former then has to be a right-wing ideology, and the latter is left". That's not only a weak argument, it has been debunked.

 

[Nomad1]

I don't wanna hear about this ever again. Not even when she tell him that they better as friends.

Yup, don't want to hear yall nikkas nonsense that Leftist Fascism doesn't exists.

Answer this, the "Liberal Progressives" pepper-sprayed that family, is that truly Progressive or Fascist?