LET US BE SERIOUS...2PAC IS THE REAL KING OF THE SOUTH...

[nineteeneightysix]

The South was IRRELEVANT, until 2Pac gave them a thug style to run with...

Globally, NOBODY gave a rat's asss about Outkast, Scarface (the first time I heard of Scarface was when I heard "Smile") or ANY "legendary" Southern rappers....They were nothing but LOCAL heroes...

(1) 2Pac taught Southern rappers how to keep it simple, and directed at the audience...

(2) 2Pac pioneered that "military mind" that Master P capitalized on, and which led to the explosion of Southern rap music...Early No Limit was a straight up cheap 2Pac imitation with a Southern twist...

(3) 2Pac pioneered that "thug style" that Cash Money capitalized on, and which led to the explosion of Southern rap music...I am talking about walking around without a shirt, tattoos, bandannas, and a thug persona...Watch old Cash Money videos, and tell me that those guys aren't mini-2Pacs running around (image wise)...

(4) The work ethic...Constant production...Before 2Pac, you can't name 10 rappers that were producing music like diarrhea...2Pac scratched off an entire album, because he thought "Biggie jacked his style", and he released "Thug Life" and the classic "Me Against The World" in less than a year...

Put your emotions against 2Pac aside...You can't deny if he is not the KING than he is the GODFATHER of Southern music...

Period.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

so basically you saying the southern simpletons couldn't blow up till made it cool to not be lyrically complex?

 

[BastardChild]

these threads today.. ya'll must be bored

 

[nineteeneightysix]

so basically you saying the southern simpletons couldn't blow up till made it cool to not be lyrically complex?

(1) I am saying that they didn't have a winning formula, until 2Pac gave them one...That Outkast BS was local success...I was in South Africa until 1999...Nobody knew what the fcuk is an Outkast...We got put onto Scarface when we heard "Smile"...

Outkast became relevant (Globally) with "Ms Jackson"

Nobody was fcking with 8Ball and MJD or whatever his name is, I still don't know who is 8Ball and who is MjD or whatever...

(2) "lyrically complex" is a RELATIVE and SUBJECTIVE term...2Pac was the MOST effective and affective lyricist in the ENTIRE history of Rap Music...That's why he is still relevant...

2Pac is still competing with today's rappers...But other dead rappers are adorned in obscurity...

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I don't believe Pac gave them a winning formula to break out of being 'local' because to this day southern rappers still struggle with international appeal, they are still local by your definition. Even a superstar like Wayne never seemed to cross over overseas like 50 or Kanye did.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

I don't believe Pac gave them a winning formula to break out of being 'local' because to this day southern rappers still struggle with international appeal, they are still local by your definition. Even a superstar like Wayne never seemed to cross over overseas like 50 or Kanye did.

haha...

(1) You can't be serious...2Pac fathered, in one way or another, MOST rappers that came under the No Limit and Cash Money umbrella...

(2) No Limit and Cash Money PIONEERED Southern rap music to the forefront of rap music...By the time I left South Africa, I knew about No Limit and Master P...I didn't know about Cash Money, until I reached the USA...

(3) Everything that is Drill/Trap music can be traced back to 2Pac, No Limit, Cash Money, Lil Jon and the Eastsideboyz, Young Jeezy, Waka Flocka Flame and Chief Keef...

That's the legitimate line of succession...That's the main artery...Of course there are guys are like TI (overrated) and Gucci Mane, in other major arteries...

But the people I described in point number 3 are the Aorta of what is Trap and Drill music today...I hope you have a basic understanding of human anatomy, because the analogy will make more sense if you do...

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

U were in SOUTH AFRICA until 99 so u clearly are unworthy to speak on the legacy of southern rap music

 

[Tunechi]

Nah this dude is the king of the south

 

[nineteeneightysix]

U were in SOUTH AFRICA until 99 so u clearly are unworthy to speak on the legacy of southern rap music

I think it gives me a greater perspective...

I have various points of views and NO emotional or nostalgic attachments, so my bias is considerably less than someone who had his penis sucked for the first while listening to UGK or 3 6 Mafia in Tennessee...That's a HUGE bias...

I like the album "Young Rich and Dangerous" by Kris Kross...Personal classic...Because there is a strong emotional and nostalgic connection to that album...Nobody can ever tell me that album is 'wack"...I will ONLY agree with people who think it was great, and debate anybody who thinks otherwise...

Another example, a Southerner may say the UGK was better than the No Limit movement, and I will tell that Southerner, "HELL NO, I knew about No Limit since I was in South Africa, and when I cam to North America, they were still relevant, so how can you objectively say that UGK was better, when the first time anybody paid attention to them was when "sipping on sizzurp" dropped?"

I have multiple perspectives because I am an outsider looking in...I can see more than someone who is stuck in the box...

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I like the album "Young Rich and Dangerous" by Kris Kross...Personal classic...Because there is a strong emotional and nostalgic connection to that album...Nobody can ever tell me that album is 'wack"...I will ONLY agree with people who think it was great, and debate anybody who thinks otherwise...

...

okay whatever playboy....

Kris Kross having a classic album ....

 

[nineteeneightysix]

okay whatever playboy.... Kris Kross having a classic album ....

The point I was trying to make clearly flew over your head...

 

[WarZoneFH]

Pac took some of Face's style

now

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

DUDE...im saying you are clearly indoctrined in COMMERCIAL MUSIC...kris kross isn't the barometer of SOUTHERN MUSIC..hell they didn't make southern hip hop...they were a marketing scheme...

so who are U to define what southern music is..let alone who was the primary influence on it....

so what I need u to do is go listen to GOODIE MOB's "SOUL FOOD" and then MAKE YOUR COMMENTARY........

TILL THEN I suggest you be very silent

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

technically 2pac is the king of every fukkin region....but seriously bruh, 2pac didnt influence that much in the south as much as scarface,ugk,8ball/mjg,dj screw,outkast,trick daddy, etc. these are the kings of the south.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Pac took some of Face's style

now

When exactly did 2Pac take Faces's style...?
I am listening to 2Pacalypse and that is the FORMULA 2Pac pretty much used for the rest of his career...With some growth and variations...

2Pac was influenced by various rappers that came before him, and those of his time...Just like Scarface and every other rapper for that matter...

That argument of "if it wasn't for blah blah, then blah blah will not exist" is POINTLESS...

2Pac was more influenced by KRS 1, Ice Cube and Above The Law than he was influenced by Scarface...

Regardless, 2Pac was the MOST influential rapper on the South...