Let's Revisit the Wil Myers' Trade

[Captain Crunch]

@HHR @unit321 @The War Report @holidayinn21 @tremonthustler1

Wil Myers; Odirizzi, and mike Montgomery for 2 years of Shields and Wade Davis
Myers and Odorizzi have had some success in their young careers, jury is still out on Montgomery

Can we safely say that this trade worked out for both parties? Now looking back the trade was retarded for the Royals, but they lucked up and won the pennant.

 

[Regular_P]

Uh, how was that trade retarded for the Royals? Shields spear headed their staff and Davis was the best reliever in baseball this season on the way to the WS.

Myers was injured most of the season and looked like shyt when he was on the diamond.

As of now, huge W for the Royals. Jury is still out on if Tampa got enough out of it.

 

[SoulController]

in the long run it should benefit TB more, but the Royals needed SP depth. made a good call changing Davis' role, Shields has been an innings eater since being there. win-win

Shields is leaving after this year, but its looking like Finnegan will make people forget about him, they should lock Davis up with whatever he wants. hes easily a 6-7M setup guy

 

[Captain Crunch]

Uh, how was that trade retarded for the Royals? Shields spear headed their staff and Davis was the best reliever in baseball this season on the way to the WS.

Myers was injured most of the season and looked like shyt when he was on the diamond.

As of now, huge W for the Royals. Jury is still out on if Tampa got enough out of it.

At the time the trade was retarded, because the Royals gave up 3 top prospects for 2 years of James Shields and a 5th starter in Davis.
Because of luck, the Royals are in the WS, and the trade looks good for both sides(Odorizzi was ok this year and Myers played well in 2013).

 

[unit321]

Wil Myers; Odirizzi, and mike Montgomery for 2 years of Shields and Wade Davis
Myers and Odorizzi have had some success in their young careers, jury is still out on Montgomery

Can we safely say that this trade worked out for both parties? Now looking back the trade was retarded for the Royals, but they lucked up and won the pennant.

Yeah, this trade worked out. Hindsight is 20/20.

I don't believe it was all luck. There's you and me, all Royals and Tampa fans and every sports writer who don't know the sport analytics results that provided the push for the Royals to make this trade. It's the new Moneyball. The small percentage increases in games won, runs, walks, hits, strike outs, etc. all added up.

 

[holidayinn21]

it hindsight, it's an even trade, but I also think it was a gamble that the royals had to make. you could only rebuild so many times.

if myers is healthy, he's gonna produce. I'm not a fan of odirizzi at all. way too streaky.

 

[HHR]

If the Royals lose to the A's in the wild card game, how much does that effect your opinion on the trade?

 

[HHR]

And I can't give Moore credit for Wade Davis...he was traded for as a starter...and was arguably the worst starter in baseball last year. I'll give them credit for transitioning him into an elite reliever, but that was clearly an unexpected development.

 

[Captain Crunch]

If the Royals lose to the A's in the wild card game, how much does that effect your opinion on the trade?

I said already, that the trade looks good because of hindsight.

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

The Royals were getting absolutely raked over the coals when this trade first went through. It was seen as a desperation move that'd get Dayton Moore fired after Wil Meyers lit shyt up and Shields left after two solid, but in the end inconsequential years. Luck has a lot to do with the Royals making it to the WS, but I don't see any way it happens without this trade going through first.

As a Pirates fan, watching this unfold is awesome yet bittersweet. The Bucs were in on Jon Lester and David Price supposedly at the trade deadline, and no one knows how things would have worked out if they had another stud in the rotation and didn't throw Edinson Volquez's overachieving ass out there for the Wild Card game. Either of those trades would have significantly diminished the robustness of their farm system, but the MLB playoffs are set up so that anyone who makes it in can get hot and make significant noise.

On the other side, look at the A's, who's movie star GM absolutely destroyed their depth to get Jeff Samardzija and Lester, trying to make a run just like the Royals are now. Only, they faded down the stretch and ended up a footnote after getting knocked out by these same Royals in the one-game Wild Card match, where pretty much anything can happen. They made a movie about what a supposed genius Billy Beane is, casting Brad Pitt and everything, and the "feel-good" ending of the movie is them winning a Division Series. This was supposed to be the year that an actual happy ending was taped on in hindsight, and they ended up run out of town by an even bigger underdog.

Basically, no matter how many sabermetrics and strategies you run out there, there's still very little out there accounting for a team gelling and going on a hot streak at just the right time. Which is why the Dodgers and the Yankees can look at thousands of spreadsheets, in addition to taking into account the word of every "baseball lifer" on their payroll, then pay out salaries equivalent to the GDP of small countries for their teams, and end up on the outside every year.

The game is played on the field. And that's what makes me keep tuning in every year.

 

[I.V.]

The Royals were getting absolutely raked over the coals when this trade first went through. It was seen as a desperation move that'd get Dayton Moore fired after Wil Meyers lit shyt up and Shields left after two solid, but in the end inconsequential years. Luck has a lot to do with the Royals making it to the WS, but I don't see any way it happens without this trade going through first.

As a Pirates fan, watching this unfold is awesome yet bittersweet. The Bucs were in on Jon Lester and David Price supposedly at the trade deadline, and no one knows how things would have worked out if they had another stud in the rotation and didn't throw Edinson Volquez's overachieving ass out there for the Wild Card game. Either of those trades would have significantly diminished the robustness of their farm system, but the MLB playoffs are set up so that anyone who makes it in can get hot and make significant noise.

On the other side, look at the A's, who's movie star GM absolutely destroyed their depth to get Jeff Samardzija and Lester, trying to make a run just like the Royals are now. Only, they faded down the stretch and ended up a footnote after getting knocked out by these same Royals in the one-game Wild Card match, where pretty much anything can happen. They made a movie about what a supposed genius Billy Beane is, casting Brad Pitt and everything, and the "feel-good" ending of the movie is them winning a Division Series. This was supposed to be the year that an actual happy ending was taped on in hindsight, and they ended up run out of town by an even bigger underdog.

Basically, no matter how many sabermetrics and strategies you run out there, there's still very little out there accounting for a team gelling and going on a hot streak at just the right time. Which is why the Dodgers and the Yankees can look at thousands of spreadsheets, in addition to taking into account the word of every "baseball lifer" on their payroll, then pay out salaries equivalent to the GDP of small countries for their teams, and end up on the outside every year.

The game is played on the field. And that's what makes me keep tuning in every year.

:Uemma?:

 

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Nah cheering for the Royals just like everyone else breh

 

[The Jewnited States]

The Royals were getting absolutely raked over the coals when this trade first went through. It was seen as a desperation move that'd get Dayton Moore fired after Wil Meyers lit shyt up and Shields left after two solid, but in the end inconsequential years. Luck has a lot to do with the Royals making it to the WS, but I don't see any way it happens without this trade going through first.

As a Pirates fan, watching this unfold is awesome yet bittersweet. The Bucs were in on Jon Lester and David Price supposedly at the trade deadline, and no one knows how things would have worked out if they had another stud in the rotation and didn't throw Edinson Volquez's overachieving ass out there for the Wild Card game. Either of those trades would have significantly diminished the robustness of their farm system, but the MLB playoffs are set up so that anyone who makes it in can get hot and make significant noise.

On the other side, look at the A's, who's movie star GM absolutely destroyed their depth to get Jeff Samardzija and Lester, trying to make a run just like the Royals are now. Only, they faded down the stretch and ended up a footnote after getting knocked out by these same Royals in the one-game Wild Card match, where pretty much anything can happen. They made a movie about what a supposed genius Billy Beane is, casting Brad Pitt and everything, and the "feel-good" ending of the movie is them winning a Division Series. This was supposed to be the year that an actual happy ending was taped on in hindsight, and they ended up run out of town by an even bigger underdog.

Basically, no matter how many sabermetrics and strategies you run out there, there's still very little out there accounting for a team gelling and going on a hot streak at just the right time. Which is why the Dodgers and the Yankees can look at thousands of spreadsheets, in addition to taking into account the word of every "baseball lifer" on their payroll, then pay out salaries equivalent to the GDP of small countries for their teams, and end up on the outside every year.

The game is played on the field. And that's what makes me keep tuning in every year.

for a while i was thinking that billy beane really fukked up with that trade. but it really wasn't too bad. they didn't fall off at the end of the season because of their pitching, it was that their bats completely fell off. cespedes was good, but i don't think it was the same as trading a miggy type hitter away you know? did it possibly fukk up their team chemistry? maybe. but it could also just be one half of a season with hot bats, and the other half without it.

plus, when they got to the wild card game, what was the problem? the put up like 7 runs and still lost