Lets say 9-3 doesn't happen. Which rappers would've been rocking an entirely different steez?

[Complexion]

Lets take it back to 9-2 when the clothes were colorful and music still had fun and a message in it whilst rappers were sharpening their skills at a dizzying rate and getting mean with the pen. Imagine the West and Death Row didn't come through and crush the buildings which led to everyone biting the gangsta wave as even R&B singers started ice grilling and waving finger pistols in XXL clothes that hid their frail frames.

What changes?

First and foremost Pac and Big would most likely still be alive so you can include or exclude that if you wish. Considering the entire Mafioso flex would be null and void Nas' career would be remarkably different without the jiggy don sprinkles that IWW that came in 96 and his first drop would more likely have gained more acclaim. The rise of the South as a counterswing to the Superthug Era would also be null and void. R&B would've also remained untainted as well as so many other things...

Just speculation but imagine your favorite artist without the nihilism and rage that 93 introduced to the game. What do you see if they were free to be without these lanes painting them in to what they thought the fans expected?

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

I don't know but the entire landscape may be different.

 

[Wild self]

The mentality of being a superthug would have been reduced to a handful of neighborhood knuckleheads.

 

[Justin Nitsuj]

"The rise of the South as a counterswing to the Superthug Era would also be null and void"

The South was gonna rise regardless of the Superthug Era. The fukk is you saying?

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

Probably wouldn’t have got all the gangster movies of that time too.
BNTH, menace 2 society, even shyt like Jason’s lyric and set it off might have been greenlit.

 

[The God Poster]

"The rise of the South as a counterswing to the Superthug Era would also be null and void"

The South was gonna rise regardless of the Superthug Era. The fukk is you saying?

That comment let me know the thread’s intentions

 

[getmoney310cpt]

NWA was already a thing by then too late

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

shyt doesn’t change as much you think .

Removing death row doesn’t stop Juvenile Hell,36 chambers ,Bacdafucup

And the southern point makes ZERO sense because UGK and Geto Boys was already rockin and death row not existing ain’t gonna stop 6th and Baronne And comin out hard.

 

[LunaticVillage415]

I think it’s weird when people give credit to the rise of hardcore gangsta shyt to the Chronic. The Chronic was mostly a party record with party themes with gangsta undertones. That’s why it was able to crossover with mainstream America. Who doesn’t like smoking, drinking and fukking? Criminal Minded by BDP really was the prototype for gangsta rap. And that was way back in 87’. Kris was right because NWA took BDP whole blueprint down to the all black attire and violent dopeman tales. Spice 1 spent his whole career trying to be KRS 2 trying to recreate “9mm Goes Bang”. In 93’, the music more reflected the all time high violence in every hood in the country. Black Moon Enta the Stage was sonically more dark and gutter than the Chronic ever was.

 

[Complexion]

Probably wouldn’t have got all the gangster movies of that time too.

I don't know but the entire landscape may be different.

Not just of the rap game but the whole world in general because its now the defacto global culture with immense influence due to these events that made the underground mainstream. The offshoots that spring from this event are quite large when you think about it and if you reverse engineer a lot of present trends they lead back to these events.

The South was gonna rise regardless of the Superthug Era. The fukk is you saying?

That comment let me know the thread’s intentions

And the southern point makes ZERO sense because UGK and Geto Boys was already rockin and death row not existing ain’t gonna stop 6th and Baronne And comin out hard.

Glad you picked up on this because before the 9-3 wave rap was more fun as mentioned in the op with dancing and party records being a huge part of that. Once it became cool to hold up the wall and mean mug that was all done and the South bought it back. Without that blip who knows they may have rose earlier without all of the coastal bias and tripping that kept them local for so long.

Criminal Minded by BDP really was the prototype for gangsta rap. And that was way back in 87’. Kris was right because NWA took BDP whole blueprint down to the all black attire and violent dopeman tales. Spice 1 spent his whole career trying to be KRS 2 trying to recreate “9mm Goes Bang”. In 93’, the music more reflected the all time high violence in every hood in the country. Black Moon Enta the Stage was sonically more dark and gutter than the Chronic ever was.

As I said before:

Schooly D is wildly underrated

Man ushered in what would become the gangsta wave as people took his blueprint and ran with it. Peep: Definitely inspired Boyz N The Hood from its production to E's cadence. Ice T certainly heard this and took notes with the street story style. And he still found some time sprinkled...

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Schooly D fathered a whole load of styles and set off the trend but the West is what made it crossover to commercial success. Would there even be an NWA without Schooly School? Also the times were way wilder, I agree, so the artform would reflect these trends as a reflection but that was inflated to the point of cartoonish antics and general foolishness.

The mentality of being a superthug would have been reduced to a handful of neighborhood knuckleheads.

It really did steamroll and homogenize the rap game didn't it? You had such an immense variety of artists before the machine got hold of rap and turned it into a pale shadow, zombiefied version of itself that forcefed low frequency antics to the masses before they had enough awareness to know what hit em.


The more I mature and develop a broader perspective that comes with thinking outside of the box by managing to peer over the walls of my own perceptions the more and more I question the true nature of music as a force for global influence. Getting back on topic a whole load of artists had to get into that lane because after 93 that was painted as the only way. Imagine those pens pushing something else that was inspired from within instead of trying to fit in due to the success of corrosive trends and consumer expectations.

In general it always has only ever taken on artist to change the entire direction of the game because they get the movement moving.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Rap music would suck. Look at today's music that's what it wouldve been in the 90s

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

After thinking about it some more I think if it wasn't NWA, it would have been someone else. We are talking about the late 80s and early 90s. It was the wild west in a lot areas. IMO versus gangs like the west coast it may had an approach like three six mafia. A whole bunch of hood fyckery without it be directed toward particular gangs. Also, record labels were willing to jump on anything hip hop related they thought would sell. Like Def Jam when Russell Simmons nephew had that horror rap group. Can't remember their name.

 

[RhodyRum]

Does M.O.P. exist in this Dimension X?

Did I like it hardcore? Yeah, I liked it raw

 

[BulletProof]

Hov would be tryin' to kick knowledge.

 

[Complexion]

After thinking about it some more I think if it wasn't NWA, it would have been someone else. We are talking about the late 80s and early 90s. It was the wild west in a lot areas. IMO versus gangs like the west coast it may had an approach like three six mafia. A whole bunch of hood fyckery without it be directed toward particular gangs. Also, record labels were willing to jump on anything hip hop related they thought would sell. Like Def Jam when Russell Simmons nephew had that horror rap group. Can't remember their name.

Thats an interesting way of looking at it. Like I said in the original 93 thread:

That Gangsta wave really touched something deep in peoples souls. Call it the frustration of a generation, the pain of the world over a dope beat or whatever you want but it had everyone acting real froggie.

Whats nuts is the current devolved state of rap can be traced back directly to this era as it all became one-upmanship and a need to increase shock value as the old "wow" was the new "been there done that" and the drugs got stronger...

I really do wonder if/how the artform will ever be raised back up to the artistry it used to be because it will be us that does it and not a label as they're caking off this new "no money down, no development, all profit" approach with disposable chewing music right now as the customers are happy with weak product as they don't know the difference between that and the uncut raw.

There is definitely something more to this than the surface as entertainment choices and trends reflect the inner landscapes of those making the selection as it has to vibe with whats already present. Even if it was under the surface and is bought to awareness by wanting to fit in. Thats another important aspect because herd mentality is immense and most people are externally focused due to being strangers to themselves.