"Liberal" Media Swears Hillary Won Debate. EVERY Poll Says Bernie.

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Liberal is in quotation marks but it's used properly here.

Clinton is a liberal. Shes what the media thinks a candidate should think. Sanders is a social democrat. Despite their considerable political overlaps, they come from different thought traditions. And the media is aware of that.
 
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Swavy Karl Marx said:
Liberal is in quotation marks but it's used properly here.

Clinton is a liberal. Shes what the media thinks a candidate should think. Sanders is a social democrat. Despite their considerable political overlaps, they come from different thought traditions. And the media is aware of that.
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But why is that called the liberal media? Apart from like slate
 
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@Brown_Pride can you ban this fakkit Napoleon from bernie threads?
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is this thread for cheerleaders only?

You're going to have a rough time offline if all you can do is call people fakkits when your opinion gets challenged.
 
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I feel like looking at the debates through a lens of "who beat who?" is misguided anyway. Most of the mainstream journalists writing about this issue understand the kind of charade these debates are and what it takes to really "win". I think the far more compelling story here is that we witnessed a pretty civil discussion about democratic socialism, without any red-baiting, in a nationally televised presidential debate. I hope it leads to good things.

But I did read a pretty interesting think-piece this morning about potential motivations of establishment journalists in their Hillary "cheer leading" :jbhmm::


You may remember a book called This Town that came out a couple years ago. Written by Mark Leibovich, it’s one of those DC-insider dealies that skewers Washington culture and yet was beloved by the people who make up that culture. One of the sturdier aspects of DC journalism is that nobody is more cynical about it than DC journalists, at least in the abstract. So when the book came out, you saw very frank discussion by people who know that the entire edifice of American political media is impossibly corrupt.


But now it’s election season, and so this kind of self-knowledge is nowhere to be found. Whenever election coverage ramp up, the self-same insiders who will throw up their hands and say “this town! so corrupt!” suddenly lose that insight and become very invested in the integrity of the process. This is where they make their hay, and they can’t let the ambient understanding that DC journalism is a sewer get in the way.


This morning, I’ve been pointing out on Twitter that the unanimity of pro-Hillary Clinton journalism coming from the mouthpieces of establishment Democratic politics — Slate, Vox, New York Magazine, etc. — is entirely predictable and has no meaningful relationship to her actual performance at the debate last night. That’s because, one, the Democrats are a centrist party that is interested in maintaining the stranglehold of the DNC establishment on their presidential politics, and these publications toe that line. And second, because Clinton has long been assumed to be the heavy favorite to win the presidency, these publications are in a heated battle to produce the most sympathetic coverage, in order to gain access. That is a tried-and-true method of career advancement in political journalism. Ezra Klein was a well-regarded blogger and journalist. He became the most influential journalist in DC (and someone, I can tell you with great confidence, that young political journalists are terrified of crossing) through his rabid defense of Obamacare, and subsequent access to the President. That people would try and play the same role with Clinton is as natural and unsurprising as I can imagine.


It happens that I’m no big fan of Bernie Sanders — hate his politics on Israel, guns, and immigration. But I am a fan of expanding the boundaries of what’s politically possible, and you can’t do that when everybody’s angling to get on the good side of the Democratic establishment.


Now, people are falling on their fainting couches. They’re calling this argument conspiracy mongering, saying it’s ridiculous, that I’m a crank, etc. But if you took any of them — any of them at all — out of the context of this particular moment, and you said, “do political journalists trade positive coverage for access?,” they’d laugh out loud at the obviousness of the answer. Of course they do, they’d laugh! That’s one of the things that compels them to say “this town!” when they’re in their DC-skewering moods. And yet they can’t countenance the idea that this is happening right now, because right now, they’re in election season, and they’ve got business to attend to. Which just leaves me asking: what happened to those cynics that were, in the recent past, so devastatingly cutting and open about the fundamental corruption of our political media? Where did those people go?


And I can tell you, again with great confidence, that in a year and a half, I’ll be sitting at some bar with somebody in political media, and they’ll say, “you know, looking back, you were so right about that. This town!” They’ll remember just in time for it to be of no use.
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If you take a step back and remove your bias for or against Clinton and Sanders then it is pretty much a no-brainer that she won that debate. That doesn't mean that Bernie lost because he did well but Clinton owned that stage.
Admitting it doesn't mean you all of a sudden like her it just means you aren't blind.
 
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