Living wage advocates, how are restaruant owners supposed to deal with being squeezed like this?

[ill]

Go through all of what? Renegotiating contracts to make it more favorable to their franchisees? That's the price of doing business. McDonald's renegotiates contracts all the times with its suppliers.

And back to my original point, why should McDonald's be allowed to subsidize their business off the backs of the rest of society? When McDonald's (and other multi national companies) don't pay their employees a fair wage, the burden gets put on people like me and you because we have to subsidize them via foodstaps and medicaid while McDonald's generate billions in profit.

What about small businesses or basically any business thats not a multi-national conglomerate? You guys are attacking the 0.03% of all companies right now. Can you apply your theories to the rest of the business world, aka 99.7% of all businesses in this country are small businesses https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/FAQ_Sept_2012.pdf

 

[tmonster]

People that walk out on a job that they clearly need a lot tells me a whole lot too.

what?

 

[tmonster]

@Napoleon no swipes but stop dapping my posts, your cosigns negatively impact credibility.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Napoleon no swipes but stop dapping my posts, your cosigns negatively impact credibility.



Problem with that is when shyt is slow employees just get fired. And when times are good they have no incentive to expedite service. I think France is on this model and when I went the restaurant service was horrible.

I don't care about usernames, only arguments. Don't worry about anything besides defending your stance and i'll do the same.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think that the government is in the resteraunt business when it starts paying for the workers food and shelter. I think every business that cant stand on its two feet needs to go into bankruptcy, that is how this capitalism thing works. There are some noteworthy exception if the said business is in the national interest, then the government may invest (Obama and Detroit). You are forecasting an unrealistic reality. You cant just get people into higher paying jobs using education or training. People have to naturally transition into those things. I advocate for increased investment in training and education but to ignore the reality of the worker right at this moment is to me nonsensical and doesnt even answer the question in the OP

Unrealistic realities

Let's do a little math. OK, people keep talking about a living wage, living wage. $15/hr seems to be the agreed upon sum. That's over half the country (as of 2012):

So you seem to be saying any company that can't pay all its employees at least a living wage has to go. Obviously this chart includes people who aren't working, but still. Explain to me how putting what is prob half the working US population out of work is a "realistic" solution, compared to equipping people with more skills and education to be qualified for better paying jobs.

Go through all of what? Renegotiating contracts to make it more favorable to their franchisees? That's the price of doing business. McDonald's renegotiates contracts all the times with its suppliers.

And back to my original point, why should McDonald's be allowed to subsidize their business off the backs of the rest of society? When McDonald's (and other multi national companies) don't pay their employees a fair wage, the burden gets put on people like me and you because we have to subsidize them via foodstaps and medicaid while McDonald's generate billions in profit.

I agree that McDonalds, Walmart etc etc shouldn't be able to subsidize their profits with govt benefits. And I know how fun it is to talk about how business owners should burn in hell and all that. But ultimately, decreeing that all businesses that can't profitably pay your arbitrary living wage shut down is not a realistic or productive solution. People need employment and employment requires profitable business. Current status quo is not acceptable but there has to be a transition to one that is that benefits all stakeholders, including the greedy ass evil business owners. Plus let's not pretend like business owners are the only ones benefitting... these govt benefits basically double these employees' paychecks.

Like I keep saying, the problem here isn't wages. It wasn't long ago where MW jobs were pretty much the exclusive domain of high school kids and other people who didn't need a living wage. The fact that we are trying to make jobs made for high schoolers pay at the level required to raise a family is the problem. Either US workers are underskilled or the US job market doesn't have enough good jobs. But an artificially high MW doesn't solve either of those problems.

 

[ill]

what?

That they have bad habits and a terrible education that most likely led them to this MW job to begin with. If you need that money to survive, you shouldn't walk out on your job to protest for a potential pay bump. When you put hope and change (shout out to Obama) above your real world needs to survive, I don't know how you're going to get ahead. This is the real world and most companies will tell you to fukk yourself and that you're fired. Now you're making 0 dollars. Congrats? I guess it comes down to the mindset for me. I was always taught never to leave a job until I had another one lined up. That way I don't struggle through the downtime and don't have to worry about my survival. If you're willingly throwing away your survival, you're just naive to the real world IMO.

 

[Broke Wave]

@GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy lol... So any business that is forced to pau 15 an hr is going out of business huh? Tell me about the mass unemployment in Seattle. Uave you read my previous posts in this thread illustrating that historically wage increases have not been linked directly with unemployment or inflation?

 

[tmonster]

That they have bad habits and a terrible education that most likely led them to this MW job to begin with. If you need that money to survive, you shouldn't walk out on your job to protest for a potential pay bump. When you put hope and change (shout out to Obama) above your real world needs to survive, I don't know how you're going to get ahead. This is the real world and most companies will tell you to fukk yourself and that you're fired. Now you're making 0 dollars. Congrats? I guess it comes down to the mindset for me. I was always taught never to leave a job until I had another one lined up. That way I don't struggle through the downtime and don't have to worry about my survival. If you're willingly throwing away your survival, you're just naive to the real world IMO.

the disdain

 

[Tate]

That they have bad habits and a terrible education that most likely led them to this MW job to begin with. If you need that money to survive, you shouldn't walk out on your job to protest for a potential pay bump. When you put hope and change (shout out to Obama) above your real world needs to survive, I don't know how you're going to get ahead. This is the real world and most companies will tell you to fukk yourself and that you're fired. Now you're making 0 dollars. Congrats? I guess it comes down to the mindset for me. I was always taught never to leave a job until I had another one lined up. That way I don't struggle through the downtime and don't have to worry about my survival. If you're willingly throwing away your survival, you're just naive to the real world IMO.

I can see where you're coming from but I hope you see how toxic and submissive an outlook this is.

 

[88m3]

$10 an hour after taxes, social security etc is what again?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I think that the government is in the resteraunt business when it starts paying for the workers food and shelter. I think every business that cant stand on its two feet needs to go into bankruptcy, that is how this capitalism thing works. There are some noteworthy exception if the said business is in the national interest, then the government may invest (Obama and Detroit). You are forecasting an unrealistic reality. You cant just get people into higher paying jobs using education or training. People have to naturally transition into those things. I advocate for increased investment in training and education but to ignore the reality of the worker right at this moment is to me nonsensical and doesnt even answer the question in the OP

You can't just say every business has to provide for the welfare of its employees though. The business is invested in money, not people.

The problem is that you seem to think every job has to be a comfortable one or provide a certain standard, and I disagree.

We're focusing on fast food because they've made the most noise, but there are millions of jobs out there which encompass more menial work which are never seen as jobs that were meant to support a certain standard of living.

A MW is merely the compensation that the government says you have to be paid for the absolute smallest amount of work done. Thats it.

So without repeating myself:

...if you're talking about all of these other things ike job training, which do exist, you can't just say "more needs to be done" and leave it there without acknowledging how many options currently exist and who/how many are taking advantage of such options.

You're literally saying its not their fault they can't take the steps towards improving their lot

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy lol... So any business that is forced to pau 15 an hr is going out of business huh? Tell me about the mass unemployment in Seattle. Uave you read my previous posts in this thread illustrating that historically wage increases have not been linked directly with unemployment or inflation?

The reason Seattle can afford $15 is because Seattle is an expensive city to live in. The cost of living is WAY higher.

East Bumblefukk Mississippi can't afford that.

When we talk about FEDERAL MW, then I keep telling you to stop overlooking how STATES and CITIES add on to that MW.

You NEED $15 in Los Angeles...not Ohio.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I can see where you're coming from but I hope you see how toxic and submissive an outlook this is.

Too bad.

Living in the US gives you a better outlook than any country south of it, UNLESS you chose to invest in yourself educationally.

You can't keep trying to make better choices for everyone beyond the mere basics of secure borders, healthcare, and some standard in the mass consumption of food and social services and infrastructure.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That they have bad habits and a terrible education that most likely led them to this MW job to begin with. If you need that money to survive, you shouldn't walk out on your job to protest for a potential pay bump. When you put hope and change (shout out to Obama) above your real world needs to survive, I don't know how you're going to get ahead. This is the real world and most companies will tell you to fukk yourself and that you're fired. Now you're making 0 dollars. Congrats? I guess it comes down to the mindset for me. I was always taught never to leave a job until I had another one lined up. That way I don't struggle through the downtime and don't have to worry about my survival. If you're willingly throwing away your survival, you're just naive to the real world IMO.

I support workers rights, but skilled workers don't have these problems.

 

[Broke Wave]

You can't just say every business has to provide for the welfare of its employees though. The business is invested in money, not people.

The problem is that you seem to think every job has to be a comfortable one or provide a certain standard, and I disagree.

We're focusing on fast food because they've made the most noise, but there are millions of jobs out there which encompass more menial work which are never seen as jobs that were meant to support a certain standard of living.

A MW is merely the compensation that the government says you have to be paid for the absolute smallest amount of work done. Thats it.

So without repeating myself:

...if you're talking about all of these other things ike job training, which do exist, you can't just say "more needs to be done" and leave it there without acknowledging how many options currently exist and who/how many are taking advantage of such options.

You're literally saying its not their fault they can't take the steps towards improving their lot

Once again your argument is about social engineering fall on deac ears. Go quote someone else. Youre talking about the minimum wage being comfortable for people as being my end point. Youre alluding to people having a tough time at the minimum wage as some kind of desirable outcome.