Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[JustCKing]

Bad Boy was already established BEFORE ever acquiring Mase or The Lox. Even still, Puff and Bad Boy did most of the heavy lifting for their careers more so than Ruff Ryders. The Lox were greater successes as solo artists under RR than they were as a group. Ruff Ryders on the other hand didn't establish themselves as a powerhouse until AFTER DMX built a buzz via guest appearances and The Lox had already dropped a debut on Bad Boy.



at Drag-On being a star. That's an epic reach and possibly the biggest stretch I've ever seen at somebody making a reach to claim someone as a star. Drag is as much a star as Magoo.

Cassidy was cool and well on the cusp to being a star, but didn't quite make it. He was nowhere near the level of stardom as the guys in his class.

Swizz made no stars out of no one.

The Lox is the same group that released "If You Think I'm Jiggy" and "Let's Start Rap Over" as singles go figure who listened to them. That base didn't change when they switched to Ruff Ryders.

Tim's noteworthy projects are Supa Dupa Fly, Under Construction, and Deliverance

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

this is what happens when you base everything off of sales.

especially when you have no understanding of said sales to begin with.

Well our current back and forth,is about a couple of commercial rappers and where they stood at a moment in time. Of course factual based numbers would be utilized.
What do i not understand about sales?

 

[mvp_status]

Lies, this track here was blessed

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Bad Boy was already established BEFORE ever acquiring Mase or The Lox. Even still, Puff and Bad Boy did most of the heavy lifting for their careers more so than Ruff Ryders. The Lox were greater successes as solo artists under RR than they were as a group. Ruff Ryders on the other hand didn't establish themselves as a powerhouse until AFTER DMX built a buzz via guest appearances and The Lox had already dropped a debut on Bad Boy.



at Drag-On being a star. That's an epic reach and possibly the biggest stretch I've ever seen at somebody making a reach to claim someone as a star. Drag is as much a star as Magoo.

Cassidy was cool and well on the cusp to being a star, but didn't quite make it. He was nowhere near the level of stardom as the guys in his class.

Swizz made no stars out of no one.

The Lox is the same group that released "If You Think I'm Jiggy" and "Let's Start Rap Over" as singles go figure who listened to them. That base didn't change when they switched to Ruff Ryders.

Tim's noteworthy projects are Supa Dupa Fly, Under Construction, and Deliverance

Who produced rr anthem swizz. That made x a household name
Who made eve a star,swizz
Who made good times i get high for stylez,swizz

 

[JustCKing]

Who produced rr anthem swizz. That made x a household name
Who made eve a star,swizz
Who made good times i get high for stylez,swizz

RR Anthem alone didn't make DMX a household name. That song was big, but that song alone didn't exactly make DMX a household name. Same goes for Eve. Eve didn't became a star until the second album, which Swizz only did four songs on. While, "I Get High" was a big song, it ain't exactly make Styles P a star.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

RR Anthem alone didn't make DMX a household name. That song was big, but that song alone didn't exactly make DMX a household name. Same goes for Eve. Eve didn't became a star until the second album, which Swizz only did four songs on. While, "I Get High" was a big song, it ain't exactly make Styles P a star.

lmao at this nonsense.
eve's first album is her biggest album. Eve was a star out the gate.
Shut yo dumb ass up till you know what you're talking about.
Styles aint a star,but his only classic is via swizz
And yea rr anthem made dmx a household name.
There are people whom never listened to an x album or feature that know that song,swizz did that,the beat,came up with the hook and chants.
Nobody on this planet could not know RR anthem,yey know some other feature or single from 97-98 by x
He made x and eve stars
He gave cassidy a classic record.
Swizz is a proven legend

 

[JustCKing]

lmao at this nonsense.
eve's first album is her biggest album. Eve was a star out the gate.
Shut yo dumb ass up till you know what you're talking about.
Styles aint a star,but his only classic is via swizz
And yea rr anthem made dmx a household name.
There are people whom never listened to an x album or feature that know that song,swizz did that,the beat,came up with the hook and chants.
Nobody on this planet could not know RR anthem,yey know some other feature or single from 97-98 by x
He made x and eve stars
He gave cassidy a classic record.
Swizz is a proven legend

So Eve got a show right after her first album dropped. Eve's biggest song was on her first album. So no, she wasn't a "star" straight out the gae.

Styles' only classic isn't via Swizz. The song below is also a Styles P classic:



And again, "RR Anthem" alone didn't make X a household name. To suggest that it did, exposes just how little you think you know.

Swizz didn't make X and Eve stars

Yes, Swizz is a legend, but he wasn't out here creating stars. Nowhere near a Dre or a Puff, who really shaped and molded stars.

 

[spliz]

this is what happens when you base everything off of sales.

especially when you have no understanding of said sales to begin with.

These the same nikkas that argued with me that Mase and The Lox wasnt Ruff Ryders and Mase out his own mouth shyt on they opinions a couple days ago. Lol

 

[JustCKing]

These the same nikkas that argued with me that Mase and The Lox wasnt Ruff Ryders and Mase out his own mouth shyt on they opinions a couple days ago. Lol

So you're telling me that The Lox is lying in this interview:



- talks about them selling tapes in high school

- how Styles wasn't even in the group until Puff threw him in the group and told them they were now "The Lox" and told them to figure out what it means

- talks about how one of their tapes ended up in Mary's hands

- talks about how Mary passed the tape to Puff

- talks about how they didn't have any other option, but to sign to Puff

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Op got his career ended
Edna G posting career is suspended indefinitely as Buckeyes beat scUM:Free Daps and reps for all

 

[JustCKing]

And I guess Mase is lying in these accounts too right:

Mase co-owns Fo' Reel with his former manager, Country, who founded the imprint. "He helped me get a deal in the first place and knew I wanted my own label," Mase says. "So he said, 'Why don't we do it like the old times -- me and you?'"--- Mase

Mase Comes Back With New Label

Mase met Puff in Atlanta while looking for Jermaine Dupri. In Mase's own words, he got signed off of one line. According to this interview, what he spit for Puff eventually became his verse on 112's "Only You"

Then she went to the side and they throw on a beat and he said rap, and he said 'if this guy sound good, he's gonna be a Bad Boy tonight. If he whack I want you all to boo him off the stage and make him never want to rap again.' So, I got on the stage, they threw on a beat and everyone was like 'go, rap, rap, shorty rap!' And I just said, 'hum all you want to, come all you want to.' I said

There's also this:

Before I met Puff, I was sleeping on the floor of a one-bedroom apartment in Harlem, splitting White Castle. You know how small White Castle burgers are, right? My man Cudda sold his Acura so we could fly down to Jack the Rapper [an Atlanta hip-hop convention]. We was going to meet Jermaine Dupri, but they wouldn’t let us speak to him. Then I bumped into Puff on the dance floor.

^^^ Why would Mase leave out something significant as Dee and Wah actually being the ones who brokered his deal with Puff. Yet, he makes mention of struggling in Harlem and wanting to meet Jermaine Dupri.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1So Eve got a show right after her first album dropped. Eve's biggest song was on her first album. So no, she wasn't a "star" straight out the gae.

2Styles' only classic isn't via Swizz. The song below is also a Styles P classic:



3And again, "RR Anthem" alone didn't make X a household name. To suggest that it did, exposes just how little you think you know.

4Swizz didn't make X and Eve stars

5Yes, Swizz is a legend, but he wasn't out here creating stars. Nowhere near a Dre or a Puff, who really shaped and molded stars.

1.nikka did i mention a show,she was a star before she had a show and swizz was responsible.
2.Lmao at that bs you posted being a classic.
3.It was the defining factor. Remove that and he doesnt become that. Whatever other factors you're talking about are interchangeable.
4.Yes he did
5.I never said he was dre or puff

 

[JustCKing]

1.nikka did i mention a show,she was a star before she had a show and swizz was responsible.
2.Lmao at that bs you posted being a classic.
3.It was the defining factor. Remove that and he doesnt become that. Whatever other factors you're talking about are interchangeable.
4.Yes he did
5.I never said he was dre or puff

1. Eve was not a star on the strength of Swizz's production hence why I made the comparison to Dre and Puff. And she wasn't a star until after the second album.

2. "My Life" is easily a classic song for Styles. You're not a Styles fan if you don't know that song.

3. "Ruff Ryders Anthem" wasn't the defining factor. X becoming a star was a snowball of factors, which included "Ruff Ryders Anthem". He was gaining momentum with each feature and each single. Dude was already getting comparisons to Pac.

4 & 5. Again, Swizz's production wasn't making stars of no one.

 

[spliz]

So you're telling me that The Lox is lying in this interview:



- talks about them selling tapes in high school

- how Styles wasn't even in the group until Puff threw him in the group and told them they were now "The Lox" and told them to figure out what it means

- talks about how one of their tapes ended up in Mary's hands

- talks about how Mary passed the tape to Puff

- talks about how they didn't have any other option, but to sign to Puff

Yup. Was Diana Ross lying about “discovering” Jackson 5?. nikka X. Mase. Dee and Wah etc have ALL confirmed the shyt im saying. Now im not saying Mary didnt help at all. Being that she from Yonkers and had Puff affiliations. But so did Dee and Wah tho. And what u posted still doesnt refute that they was with Ruff Ryders first.

 

[JustCKing]

Yup. Was Diana Ross lying about “discovering” Jackson 5?. nikka X. Mase. Dee and Wah etc have ALL confirmed the shyt im saying. Now im not saying Mary didnt help at all. Being that she from Yonkers and had Puff affiliations. But so did Dee and Wah tho. And what u posted still doesnt refute that they was with Ruff Ryders first.

So you're really saying The Lox are on record lying about how they signed to Puff? Mary didn't just "help". She gave Puff the tape which is how he heard them and ended up signing them vs. them cyphering, running around with, and being managed by a crew. A lot of rappers have stories of running around in the same circles and even being down with other crews prior to getting their deals. It doesn't change the history or mean that they were artists under said crew.

Ruff Ryders wasn't even a label then. You've conceded as much. Therefore, it doesn't matter if they rolling with the crew. All of the grunt work that goes into artist development and building a base was done via Bad Boy and Puff. Mary is the reason he signed them. In their initial interviews and even after their relationship with Puff dissolved, they've always maintained as much. It would be like implying Jay Z was a Bad Boy because he was rolling with Puff and Big (even going to school with him and being cool with him before the deals), doing records with the crew, and even had Puff to helm a couple of his albums, but everybody knows Jay was an affiliate. The difference here is that The Lox officially became Ruff Ryders once it became a full fledged label. Mase was never official.