Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[spliz]

So you're really saying The Lox are on record lying about how they signed to Puff? Mary didn't just "help". She gave Puff the tape which is how he heard them and ended up signing them vs. them cyphering, running around with, and being managed by a crew. A lot of rappers have stories of running around in the same circles and even being down with other crews prior to getting their deals. It doesn't change the history or mean that they were artists under said crew.

Ruff Ryders wasn't even a label then. You've conceded as much. Therefore, it doesn't matter if they rolling with the crew. All of the grunt work that goes into artist development and building a base was done via Bad Boy and Puff. Mary is the reason he signed them. In their initial interviews and even after their relationship with Puff dissolved, they've always maintained as much.

nikka I NEVER said Ruff Ryders was a label. I said they were a MANAGEMENT TEAM and a crew. U nikkas is arguing semantics. Mase and The Lox was running with Ruff Ryders BEFORE Bad Boy and BEFORE Ruff Ryders was even a label. I said when Ruff Ryders got their LABEL off the ground. The Lox went back home and fukked wit them. I also said Mase didnt because by the time everything was set. He was on his way out the door. But he did appear on the Ruff Ryders Vol.1 compilation. I also said its the reason X was on Mase’s single. The reason X was on Lox’s single. The reason Lox was on X’s breakout single and Lox, Mase and X had a group track on X’s album as well. By the end of that 98 year where both Lox and X’s debut albums dropped. Lox was on Ruff Ryders Anthem remix. They was all over X’s second album and wasnt really fukkin wit no Bad Boy shyt from there. This is all within the span of a YEAR fam. 1 year. Swizz fukkin DEBUT beat is on the fukkin LOX album fam. U trippin. I never said Bad Boy didnt do anything. But yall was actin like X piggybacked off Bad Boy by being on those Lox and Mase albums and I broke down WHY he was on them.

 

[JustCKing]

nikka I NEVER said Ruff Ryders was a label. I said they were a MANAGEMENT TEAM and a crew. U nikkas is arguing semantics. Mase and The Lox was running with Ruff Ryders BEFORE Bad Boy and BEFORE Ruff Ryders was even a label. I said when Ruff Ryders got their LABEL off the ground. The Lox went back home and fukked wit them. I also said Mase didnt because by the time everything was set. He was on his way out the door. But he did appear on the Ruff Ryders Vol.1 compilation. I also said its the reason X was on Mase’s single. The reason X was on Lox’s single. The reason Lox was on X’s breakout single and Lox, Mase and X had a group track on X’s album as well. By the end of that 98 year where both Lox and X’s debut albums dropped. Lox was on Ruff Ryders Anthem remix and wasnt really fukkin wit no Bad Boy shyt from there. This is all within the span of a YEAR fam. 1 year.

It's not semantics. They weren't established enough to the point where you could say they were Ruff Ryders. Therefore, a lot of the reason it became bigger than a management team and a crew is largely due to Bad Boy. Being that they were in no position to establish Mase or The Lox to the degree that Puff did at Bad Boy, them being "Ruff Ryders" is irrelevant.

Mase leaving rap had nothing to do with him not going to Ruff Ryders. He had other deals he was doing at the time that had nothing to do with Ruff Ryders or Bad Boy for that matter.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1. Eve was not a star on the strength of Swizz's production hence why I made the comparison to Dre and Puff. And she wasn't a star until after the second album.

2. "My Life" is easily a classic song for Styles. You're not a Styles fan if you don't know that song.

3. "Ruff Ryders Anthem" wasn't the defining factor. X becoming a star was a snowball of factors, which included "Ruff Ryders Anthem". He was gaining momentum with each feature and each single. Dude was already getting comparisons to Pac.

4 & 5. Again, Swizz's production wasn't making stars of no one.

1. And you're wrong,she was a star

2.I'm not big a styles fan,real classics are known by people whom really arent super fans of an artist,silly nikka

3.lmao,if rr anthem didnt happen he doesnt become what he becomes,you could name any factor you'd like and none measure up to rr anthem (name one factor prior to rr anthem that is even remotely as powerful as rr anthem)

The Lox ft. Lil' Kim & DMX - Money, Power & Respect
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• 6 years ago
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• 6 years ago
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LLCoolJVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 2,424,249 views

Dmx - Get at me dog
DmxNr1

• 9 years ago
• 1,356,461 views

DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem
DMXVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 81,321,283 view

nikkas delusional

4.Wrong,he made x and eve

 

[spliz]

It's not semantics. They weren't established enough to the point where you could say they were Ruff Ryders. Therefore, a lot of the reason it became bigger than a management team and a crew is largely due to Bad Boy. Being that they were in no position to establish Mase or The Lox to the degree that Puff did at Bad Boy, them being "Ruff Ryders" is irrelevant.

Mase leaving rap had nothing to do with him not going to Ruff Ryders. He had other deals he was doing at the time that had nothing to do with Ruff Ryders or Bad Boy for that matter.

So cause they werent an established label, they werent a crew? Thats fukkin stupid. They were running around with Ruff Ryders for longer than they were with Bad Boy. They used to battle nikkas out the Ruff Ryders studio n everything. nikka if I start an imprint. I got a bunch of day one nikkas who rap. I got a studio with that same imprint. We all a crew. Im managing the rappers. nikkas is battling nikkas as a crew and everything. Recording songs. Out my imprint studio. I get the rappers signed until I get my label off the ground. And then they come to my label when my label gets off the ground. U saying they was never part of my crew?

 

[spliz]

1. And you're wrong,she was a star

2.I'm not big a styles fan,real classics are known by people whom really arent super fans of an artist,silly nikka

3.lmao,if rr anthem didnt happen he doesnt become what he becomes,you could name any factor you'd like and none measure up to rr anthem (name one factor prior to rr anthem that is even remotely as powerful as rr anthem)

The Lox ft. Lil' Kim & DMX - Money, Power & Respect
Xclusive City

• 6 years ago
• 4,475,064 views

Mase, Black Rob, Lox, DMX - 24 Hours To Live (Dirty Music Video)
TheHipHopSyko

• 6 years ago
• 2,383,891 views

LL Cool J - 4,3,2,1 ft. Method Man, Redman, DMX
LLCoolJVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 2,424,249 views

Dmx - Get at me dog
DmxNr1

• 9 years ago
• 1,356,461 views

DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem
DMXVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 81,321,283 view

nikkas delusional

4.Wrong,he made x and eve

Ur retarded. U didnt take into account everything that happened with Ruff Ryders Anthem AFTER it dropped over the years. Such as popular movie and tv spots. Etc etc. Which gave people more exposure to the song over the last 20 years. U cant just look as some fukkin Youtube views to accurately gauge shyt that was happening 20 years ago.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Ur retarded. U didnt take into account everything that happened with Ruff Ryders Anthem AFTER it dropped over the years. Such as popular movie and tv spots. Etc etc. Which gave people more exposure to the song over the last 20 years. U cant just look as some fukkin Youtube views to accurately gauge shyt that was happening 20 years ago.

Examples of it being used over the years?
We know x gon give it to you was heavily pumped up by dead pool. What was the big movie,tv spot that pumped up RR anthem?

 

[JustCKing]

1. And you're wrong,she was a star

2.I'm not big a styles fan,real classics are known by people whom really arent super fans of an artist,silly nikka

3.lmao,if rr anthem didnt happen he doesnt become what he becomes,you could name any factor you'd like and none measure up to rr anthem (name one factor prior to rr anthem that is even remotely as powerful as rr anthem)

The Lox ft. Lil' Kim & DMX - Money, Power & Respect
Xclusive City

• 6 years ago
• 4,475,064 views

Mase, Black Rob, Lox, DMX - 24 Hours To Live (Dirty Music Video)
TheHipHopSyko

• 6 years ago
• 2,383,891 views

LL Cool J - 4,3,2,1 ft. Method Man, Redman, DMX
LLCoolJVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 2,424,249 views

Dmx - Get at me dog
DmxNr1

• 9 years ago
• 1,356,461 views

DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem
DMXVEVO

• 8 years ago
• 81,321,283 view

nikkas delusional

4.Wrong,he made x and eve

1. Eve was bigger after the second album. That's what catapulted her into stardom.

2. There are people who haven't heard Styles' albums, but know that song. "My Life" is considered one of his best songs.

3. You can't really use YouTube views to quantify a singular song making X a star. There's a whole bunch of factors that go into YouTube views. We're talking about nearly 20 years ago before YouTube even existed.

And again, one song doesn't necessarily make you a star, it's a combination of factors. There's a reason why one hit wonders exist (artists who become big based off one song and then nothing). X was far from one song making his career. Dude had a good five year run, which included some assists from Swizz. X wasn't like Snoop, where he didn't sound as great on other producers' beats like Snoop did without Dre. X's magnum opus isn't produced by Swizz. It wasn't like Swizz changed anything about X to transition him into a star the way Puff did Biggie by polishing his sound to have a more commercial gloss.

4. Swizz didn't make X or Eve.

 

[spliz]

Examples of it being used over the years?
We know x gon give it to you was heavily pumped up by dead pool. What was the big movie,tv spot that pumped up RR anthem?

nikka that shyt was in that popular ass movie “This Is The End” with James Franco and Seth Rogan etc etc just a few years ago. It was in that movie with Chris Rock “Down to Earth”, it was in the Grand Theft Auto game. That Jason Bateman movie that dropped a couple years ago as well. Only other songs that got alotta TV and movie spots was Party Up and X Gon Give It 2 Ya.

 

[JustCKing]

So cause they werent an established label, they werent a crew? Thats fukkin stupid. They were running around with Ruff Ryders for longer than they were with Bad Boy. They used to battle nikkas out the Ruff Ryders studio n everything. nikka if I start an imprint. I got a bunch of day one nikkas who rap. I got a studio with that same imprint. We all a crew. Im managing the rappers. nikkas is battling nikkas as a crew and everything. Recording songs. Out my imprint studio. I get the rappers signed until I get my label off the ground. And then they come to my label when my label gets off the ground. U saying they was never part of my crew?

What I'm saying is them being in that crew is irrelevant. It isn't of significance until The Lox were actually signed artists on Ruff Ryders. Cyphering and battling with crews especially in NYC was normal. I'm quite sure most of them have similar stories of all of these now superstar rappers battling other superstar rappers as unknowns. Some of them even running in the same circles. A lot of them broke from those crews, but maintained close relationships because they signed elsewhere or started their own thing.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikka that shyt was in that popular ass movie “This Is The End” with James Franco and Seth Rogan etc etc just a few years ago. It was in that movie with Chris Rock “Down to Earth”, it was in the Grand Theft Auto game. That Jason Bateman movie that dropped a couple years ago as well. Only other songs that got alotta TV and movie spots was Party Up and X Gon Give It 2 Ya.

Was it an iconic song before it was in those movies,yes.
Reception[edit]
Down to Earth received negative reviews. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has a score of 20% based on reviews from 96 critics, with the consensus: "A toned down Chris Rock fails to bring a limp script to life as the movie moves from one gag to the next."[2] At Metacritic, which assigns a weighted average score out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the film received an average score of 34 based on 28 reviews, indicating "generally unfavorable reviews"

Down the earth flopped and we all know RR anthem was an iconic song prior to 2013,when IS THIS THE END came out.
Are you denying that?

 

[spliz]

Was it an iconic song before it was in those movies,yes.
Reception[edit]
Down to Earth received negative reviews. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has a score of 20% based on reviews from 96 critics, with the consensus: "A toned down Chris Rock fails to bring a limp script to life as the movie moves from one gag to the next."[2] At Metacritic, which assigns a weighted average score out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the film received an average score of 34 based on 28 reviews, indicating "generally unfavorable reviews"

Down the earth flopped and we all know RR anthem was an iconic song prior to 2013,when IS THIS THE END came out.
Are you denying that?

nikka. I never said RR Anthem wasnt iconic when it dropped. Im saying u cant look at fukking youtube views from 2017 to properly gauge what was going on 20 years prior. Its just plain stupid. It makes no sense. RR Anthem is a song ingrained in pop culture. Over the fukkin years it gets mentioned more. Meaning more people have direct access to it. Meaning more people are gonna know about it who are casual hip hop fans. Now im NOT saying it wouldnt have more youtube views anyway. But if the other songs u posted got the same treatment in pop culture over the last 20 years. They would have more views than they initially have. Bottom line. Ur data is flawed and if u ever tried to present it in a real life debate u would get chewed the fukk up.

 

[spliz]

What I'm saying is them being in that crew is irrelevant. It isn't of significance until The Lox were actually signed artists on Ruff Ryders. Cyphering and battling with crews especially in NYC was normal. I'm quite sure most of them have similar stories of all of these now superstar rappers battling other superstar rappers as unknowns. Some of them even running in the same circles. A lot of them broke from those crews, but maintained close relationships because they signed elsewhere or started their own thing.

I see why u and that other nikka arguing so much all over this thread. Yall both stubborn as fukk and cant process facts if it doesnt fit yall beliefs. This is literally Mase saying the same thing I been tryna tell u bozos for the last month.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikka. I never said RR Anthem wasnt iconic when it dropped. Im saying u cant look at fukking youtube views from 2017 to properly gauge what was going on 20 years prior. Its just plain stupid. It makes no sense. RR Anthem is a song ingrained in pop culture. Over the fukkin years it gets mentioned more. Meaning more people have direct access to it. Meaning more people are gonna know about it who are casual hip hop fans. Now im NOT saying it wouldnt have more youtube views anyway. But if the other songs u posted got the same treatment in pop culture over the last 20 years. They would have more views than they initially have. Bottom line. Ur data is flawed and if u ever tried to present it in a real life debate u would get chewed the fukk up.

If if was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. No one who opposes me has better proof of what happened than I do.
So I'd never get chewed up.
All that "if other songs got the same treatment" shyt is nonsense. You act like it won the lottery. Naw it was classic iconic and legendary prior to this. RR anthem in IS THIS THE END is like IN DA CLUB being in a movie next year, and some fukk nikkas acting like that's what helped it be popular.

 

[JustCKing]

I see why u and that other nikka arguing so much all over this thread. Yall both stubborn as fukk and cant process facts if it doesnt fit yall beliefs. This is literally Mase saying the same thing I been tryna tell u bozos for the last month.

The keyword in that whole scenario is before it went popular meaning before people really knew who a Ruff Ryders was.

 

[spliz]

The keyword in that whole scenario is before it went popular meaning before people really knew who a Ruff Ryders was.

Yes. Meaning before Ruff Ryders was a label. Do u get it? this whole argument started cause u said X was riding Bad Boy’s coattails by being on those songs. I simply stated that they were all running together with Ruff Ryders before any of em were signed. Thats the reason they were on eachothers albums in the beginning.