Master Fard Muhammad and Buddhism

[GetInTheTruck]

This is the 2nd vid from a 2 part series. Anybody seen this or up on the subject matter?

Part 1 is here:



@Tuaminator

 

[Kane]

I just watched Part 1.

He definitely presented alot of evidence, circumstantial though alot of it is.

I'm most intrigued by the Ahmadiyyah connection, and the geographical evidence pointing to India.

 

[humble Hermit]

Will take a look at

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I just watched Part 1.

He definitely presented alot of evidence, circumstantial though alot of it is.

I'm most intrigued by the Ahmadiyyah connection, and the geographical evidence pointing to India.

That first vid confirmed some suspicions I had and went even further. Back in the day I used to wonder why in the lessons Arabia was called the "far east," when it's actually the near east. India and China are considered far east.

Even the way the lessons are structured is similar to ancient Indian style of teaching ie; teacher / student dialogue.

In this 2nd vid he correlates "Islam is mathematics" with the 4 noble truths of Buddhism, by presenting the 4 noble truths in mathematical equation form. Very interesting stuff.

In my opinion however, when the lessons talk about "buddhism," it's a generic term meant to refer to Indian philosophy in general, not necessarily the "religion" of buddhism.

 

[Kane]

That first vid confirmed some suspicions I had and went even further. Back in the day I used to wonder why in the lessons Arabia was called the "far east," when it's actually the near east. India and China are considered far east.

Even the way the lessons are structured is similar to ancient Indian style of teaching ie; teacher / student dialogue.

In this 2nd vid he correlates "Islam is mathematics" with the 4 noble truths of Buddhism, by presenting the 4 noble truths in mathematical equation form. Very interesting stuff.

In my opinion however, when the lessons talk about "buddhism," it's a generic term meant to refer to Indian philosophy in general, not necessarily the "religion" of buddhism.

Yea here's a short prelude to Part 2 where he shows a little more.



I was born and raised in the NOI and these videos make sense to me. Even ignoring the racial aspect, alot of NOI beliefs flat out don't mesh with orthodox Islam, especially stuff regarding God, heaven and hell etc.

When he brought up the way he taught men to sit and drill being exclusive to Pakistan/India

When he brought up the Indian Exclusion Act as a reason why Fard didn't reveal his true nationality

The dude makes a very good case. I'd love to see a fact-based counterargument because I've never seen any proof that he was actually from Mecca.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

I4L

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Yea here's a short prelude to Part 2 where he shows a little more.



I was born and raised in the NOI and these videos make sense to me. Even ignoring the racial aspect, alot of NOI beliefs flat out don't mesh with orthodox Islam, especially stuff regarding God, heaven and hell etc.

When he brought up the way he taught men to sit and drill being exclusive to Pakistan/India

When he brought up the Indian Exclusion Act as a reason why Fard didn't reveal his true nationality

The dude makes a very good case. I'd love to see a fact-based counterargument because I've never seen any proof that he was actually from Mecca.

This is the only logical explanation, IMO. Other than a few terms here and there NOI teachings have nothing to do with Islam. It's really kind of like a mash up of some eastern belief systems - hinduism, buddhism, jainism - with a black power slant. Why MFM started it is another mystery.

Even when you analyze how the NOI's doctrinal methodology is set up, you see similarities with indian religion, where the upanishads take the place of the lessons. The lessons were supposed to be studied behind closed doors and only by a select few. The lessons are where it is revealed that the black man is god and there is no "spook god," or mystery god. This is like advaita vedanta, where after a person has their fill of mundane worship to various dieties, they take up upanishadic study to realize that it is really the self that is divine.

All this "knowledge of self" stuff is lifted straight from advaita, no question about it. This aspect cant be taken from buddhism because buddhists deny the self.

Advaita Vedanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

yes..In.;

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Niceeee good to see y'all doing the thing.

WD Fard, does he have any written teachings. Thus guy talks of a lesson book.

From what I've learned of him in Malcolm Xs book he seems super interesting

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Niceeee good to see y'all doing the thing.

WD Fard, does he have any written teachings. Thus guy talks of a lesson book.

From what I've learned of him in Malcolm Xs book he seems super interesting

The lesson book you heard of probably refers to the supreme wisdom lessons, or what the 5%ers call 120 lessons.

There's also a "problem book" which is basically a bunch of math word problems couched in NOI lingo / metaphysical rhetoric. It's designed to teach mathematics and NOI doctrine at the same time.

That's pretty much all you'll find from Master Fard Muhammad himself that's authentic. There's an interview floating around where he debates Einstein but that's fake.

Glad you bumped this. The other day I realized that the "build / destroy" concept of the 5%ers comes from the vedantic concept of "Adhyaropa Apavada:"

"Thus there is an evolved methodology of teaching embedded in the Upanishads themselves and transmitted by the tradition. It is technically called adhyaropa/apavada, superimposition/negation. By this methodology, the student is gradually taken from where he is, with his experiences and conclusions about the nature of himself and the world, to a point where he cannot but see the ultimate reality. This is achieved by leading him through successive steps (adhyaropa) that are just standpoints which are negated (apavada) for the student to understand the ultimate reality, called Brahman in Sanskrit."


Vedanta : Discover Vedanta, Learn Vedic Teachings Online, Introduction to Vedanta by Authors Surya Tahora & Neema Majmudar | Advaita Vedanta | Vedanta Yoga, Philosophy, Resources, Teachings, Books

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

I see, and you say that you see more of a connection with Hinduism. Or that's the video says at least.

What's the use of the math book?
Say nay, I'm glad you were here to make it and respond. Adhyaropa/apavada seems like an interesting concept definitely. Thanks for this link at the bottom as well.

The lesson book you heard of probably refers to the supreme wisdom lessons, or what the 5%ers call 120 lessons.

There's also a "problem book" which is basically a bunch of math word problems couched in NOI lingo / metaphysical rhetoric. It's designed to teach mathematics and NOI doctrine at the same time.

That's pretty much all you'll find from Master Fard Muhammad himself that's authentic. There's an interview floating around where he debates Einstein but that's fake.

Glad you bumped this. The other day I realized that the "build / destroy" concept of the 5%ers comes from the vedantic concept of "Adhyaropa Apavada:"

"Thus there is an evolved methodology of teaching embedded in the Upanishads themselves and transmitted by the tradition. It is technically called adhyaropa/apavada, superimposition/negation. By this methodology, the student is gradually taken from where he is, with his experiences and conclusions about the nature of himself and the world, to a point where he cannot but see the ultimate reality. This is achieved by leading him through successive steps (adhyaropa) that are just standpoints which are negated (apavada) for the student to understand the ultimate reality, called Brahman in Sanskrit."


Vedanta : Discover Vedanta, Learn Vedic Teachings Online, Introduction to Vedanta by Authors Surya Tahora & Neema Majmudar | Advaita Vedanta | Vedanta Yoga, Philosophy, Resources, Teachings, Books

 

[JulesWinfield]

Very interesting. Watching part 1 now.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I see, and you say that you see more of a connection with Hinduism. Or that's the video says at least.

What's the use of the math book?
Say nay, I'm glad you were here to make it and respond. Adhyaropa/apavada seems like an interesting concept definitely. Thanks for this link at the bottom as well.

It's a bunch of word problems designed to make students think critically.

I think that when the lessons talk about "Buddhism" it's just a generic reference to Indian philosophic thought in general. For example the stuff about 24 scientists is taken from Jainism.

When you read Indian religious texts, like the puranas and bhagavad gita, you see that they are largely presented as a teacher imparting knowledge to the student in question / answer format. This is how the lessons are structured.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

but also the ahmadiyah supported the NOI at the time..
weird weird weird..

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Still shocked that the NOI cats call this Cac Master