Migos and Young Thug are better than Hopsin.

[Shiva]

This shyt's still fire though. Basically the only Hopsin song worth listening to.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

You're basically ranking trash over other trash and other trash.

End of the day bud...it's

all of it

Merry Christmas.

 

[KEEPITTRILLA]

no shyt, people who make good music are better than a rapper who make trash

 

[Mandarin Duck]

You're basically ranking trash over other trash and other trash.

End of the day bud...it's

all of it

Merry Christmas.

They still make nikkas that hate off Migos and Thugga

 

[Sauce Dab]

Hopsin is disgusted that nobody but white kids who hate their moms listen to his music
Thugger doesn't even know who he is

 

[Trajan]

Is this even a discussion

Hopsin???

wtf

 

[Osmosis]

I'd listen to a female rapper before I listen to Hopsin

 

[y que]

if you're actually bothering to compare these losers to each other you should just kill yourself

 

[Shiva]

Breh I think it's really silly that people hate on Southern rappers and assume they're dumb cause they drawl words and shyt. If you look into a lot of their lyrics and break them down syllable by syllable, they're just as complex if not more complex than most "lyrical" rappers. (Whom I listen to as well, personally I'd say that the GOAT objectively is Nas).

Bolding all the internal rhymes. Also notice that almost every end rhyme is over 3 syllables.

My diamonds shining take a peep at you
Canary yellow diamonds, Pikachu
Everyday's Halloween we pulling out costumes
And these kids love me like I'm a cartoon
The streets are like the Vietnam war
When the bytches see me they get star struck

And Gucci's Lemonade is actually complex.

My Phantom sitting on sixes,no twenties in my denim
Your Cutlass motor knocking because it is a lemon
I like them Georgia peaches but you look more like a lemon
These sour apple bitter bytches I'm not fukking with 'em
I'm truly stupid paid, that's just how I feel today
I'm moving slow cause codeine syrup's in my lemonade

That shyt's more rhyme dense than a lot of NY rappers, plus the flow's more creative. These dudes are intelligent. Sure, they're not 'lyrical' in a depth sense, but if I want to hear politics I'll bump Public Enemy. Anybody that says they don't have skill doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

(Whom I listen to as well, my objective GOAT is Nas).

Your objective GOAT?

YOUR objective GOAT?



This is the fukking problem right here. A subjective opinion trying to pass something off as objective fact. Wtf does this even mean?

 

[Shiva]

Your objective GOAT?

YOUR objective GOAT?



This is the fukking problem right here. A subjective opinion trying to pass something off as objective fact. Wtf does this even mean?

Chill breh, I have my subjective favorites, and then I have candidates whom I'd say are the best objectively. Even that is a subjective opinion, but there are different criteria for each category.

My favorite rapper right now is Vince Staples, but I'd never call him the GOAT where his career stands right now because it's too early, and he still needs to pass the test of time.

Whereas, if you want to measure rappers in terms of technical skill (which CAN be objectively measured), substance, long term success, and influence on the genre, then the clear candidates are dudes like Nas, Pac, Rakim. Jay would be in the discussion if he didn't sell out.

So you have your favorites, then you have people that you'd say are the best in terms of pure skill and influence. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Chill breh, I have my subjective favorites, and then I have candidates whom I'd say are the best objectively. Even that is a subjective opinion, but there are different criteria for each category.

My favorite rapper right now is Vince Staples, but I'd never call him the GOAT where his career stands right now because it's too early, and he still needs to pass the test of time.

Whereas, if you want to measure rappers in terms of technical skill (which CAN be objectively measured), substance, long term success, and influence on the genre, then the clear candidates are dudes like Nas, Pac, Rakim. Jay would be in the discussion if he didn't sell out.

So you have your favorites, then you have people that you'd say are the best in terms of pure skill and influence. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't.

You expressed yourself in a very confusing manner. I understand what you're trying to say, but there's no such thing as objective GOAT.

My favourite rapper is Vince too right now

Also leaving Jay out of the convo is flat out ridiculous, which proves you're in no position to be declaring objective GOATs.

 

[Shiva]

You expressed yourself in a very confusing manner. I understand what you're trying to say, but there's no such thing as objective GOAT.

My favourite rapper is Vince too right now

Also leaving Jay out of the convo is flat out ridiculous, which proves you're in no position to be declaring objective GOATs.

Word, Summertime 06 is fire. Edited that sentence in the original post to be more clear.

And Jay is still one of my favorites, but if you look at track record he's hit and miss. One of my other issues with him is that he has a very high net worth for a musician (let's be real, most rappers don't make as much as they say they do, even though some deserve it), talks about politics a lot, but doesn't give to charity.

I just think that if you make it out of the hood and make 500 mil, but don't give anything back to the people you claim to support and rely on for credibility, then that disqualifies you as a hypocrite. He's a genius musically, but you listen to songs like D'evils and you see where he's at today, and I can't get down with that.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Word, Summertime 06 is fire. Edited that sentence in the original post to be more clear.

And Jay is still one of my favorites, but if you look at track record he's hit and miss. One of my other issues with him is that he has a very high net worth for a musician (let's be real, most rappers don't make as much as they say they do, even though some deserve it), talks about politics a lot, but doesn't give to charity.

I just think that if you make it out of the hood and make 500 mil, but don't give anything back to the people you claim to support and rely on for credibility, then that disqualifies you as a hypocrite. He's a genius musically, but you listen to songs like D'evils and you see where he's at today, and I can't get down with that.

All those external aspects outside music I really couldn't care for. I don't care who's being real, who's doing this or that etc. Jay makes dope music, that's what stands out to me first and foremost.

Your objective GOAT, Nas, is just as hit and miss if not more so if you look at the discography. Objectivity is really hard to measure when rating rappers. You can't really judge who has the best flow (subjective), delivery or voice (subjective) and even lyricism (different styles of lyricism evoke different emotions out of different listeners).

So what you're left with is technical rapping, which I don't think is super important. I'm more impressed by the raw and heartfelt lyricism of Pac than I am the technical dexterity of Tech N9ne.

Then you have body of work, and to an extent, the ratings of albums is fairly subjective, but the greater the critical acclaim of course, the more you are along the lines of objectivity. Jay has 3 classics. RD, TBP and TBA have vast critical and fan acclaim and that cannot be ignored. That's what puts him in the GOAT convo. Hell I think Nas is obviously in that conversation as well.

Then it all comes down to preferences. Whatever you value most is how you judge your GOATs. For me, discography is the key thing, and that's why Ghostface is my GOAT, personally.

And yes, Summertime '06 is album of the year.

 

[Shiva]

All those external aspects outside music I really couldn't care for. I don't care who's being real, who's doing this or that etc. Jay makes dope music, that's what stands out to me first and foremost.

Your objective GOAT, Nas, is just as hit and miss if not more so if you look at the discography. Objectivity is really hard to measure when rating rappers. You can't really judge who has the best flow (subjective), delivery or voice (subjective) and even lyricism (different styles of lyricism evoke different emotions out of different listeners).

So what you're left with is technical rapping, which I don't think is super important. I'm more impressed by the raw and heartfelt lyricism of Pac than I am the technical dexterity of Tech N9ne.

Then you have body of work, and to an extent, the ratings of albums is fairly subjective, but the greater the critical acclaim of course, the more you are along the lines of objectivity. Jay has 3 classics. RD, TBP and TBA have vast critical and fan acclaim and that cannot be ignored. That's what puts him in the GOAT convo. Hell I think Nas is obviously in that conversation as well.

Then it all comes down to preferences. Whatever you value most is how you judge your GOATs. For me, discography is the key thing, and that's why Ghostface is my GOAT, personally.

And yes, Summertime '06 is album of the year.

Yeah Ghostface is consistent as fukk. I also recognize that Nas is hit or miss, since he's dropped a few weed plates, but he's managed to keep himself at the top for 20 years and can still drop shyt like Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes, God's Son, HHID, Untitled, LIG, etc way after most rappers end their primes.

I also consider rawness and heart to be a part of technical skill - you can drop as many syllables in a rhyme you want, but without emotion, it'll mess up the flow. It's a combination of passion, complexity, and flow imo.

Anyways I don't agree with everything you say, but you obviously put thought into your posts, so I can respect that.