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:camby: miggy deserved both of those, the one after the triple crown was even better
Yes he did, but he didn't deserve them more than Trout.

And lol @ him being a better hitter than Bonds. Come on now. He's not even better than Pujols was. I love watching Miggy hit, but we need to stop pretending like it's some "never before seen" shyt.
 

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Ty was big time on that :mjpls:. I can't bring segregation era players into any all time discussions. To do so would be morally and intellectually dishonest.


"Ty Cobb, Fiery Diamond Star, Favors Negroes In Baseball"

Independent Journal—Jan. 29, 1952

MENLOPARK (AP)—Tyrus Raymond Cobb, fiery old-time star of the diamond, stepped up to the plate today to clout a verbal home run in favor of Negroes in baseball.
Himself a native of the Deep South, Cobb voiced approval of the recent decision of the Dallas club to use Negro players if they came up to Texas league caliber.


The old Georgia Peach of Detroit Tigers fame was a fighter from the word go during his brilliant playing career. He neither asked for nor gave quarter in 24 tumultuous years in the American League. Time has mellowed the one time firebrand and he views the sport in the pleasant role of a country squire. He spoke emphatically on the subject of Negroes in baseball, however.

"Certainly it is O.K. for them to play," he said, "I see no reason in the world why we shouldn't compete with colored athletes as long as they conduct themselves with politeness and gentility. Let me say also that no white man has the right to be less of a gentleman than a colored man, in my book that goes not only for baseball but in all walks of life.”

"I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."

Referring again to last week's developments in the Texas league, Cobb declared, "It was bound to come." He meant the breaking down of baseball's racial barriers in the old south.

Cobb expressed the belief Negroes eventually would be playing in every league in the country. He concluded with: "Why not, as long as they deport themselves like gentlemen?"

Ty Cobb did have an altercation with at least four African-Americans during his lifetime, but I have all the documents from these incidents, and in every case, the problem can be traced back to an action, unrelated to racism, that was committed by Cobb himself, the black person, or a third party, which caused the issue to escalate into an altercation.




full article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43506-ty-cobb-was-not-a-racist
 

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Barry Bonds is the best hitter since like Ted Williams
You guys are really underrating Cabrera at the plate here. He should finish with a higher career BA, more hits, more doubles, more RBI's and close to the the number of homeruns if he can keep this pace up for the next 6-7 years.

Bonds had 4 GODLY seasons at the plate that cannot be disputed. Struck out less and walked much more, but I will take Cabrera over bonds all-time at the plate.

Bonds is the better player, but at the plate Cabrera is better than he is IMO.
 

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"Ty Cobb, Fiery Diamond Star, Favors Negroes In Baseball"

Independent Journal—Jan. 29, 1952

MENLOPARK (AP)—Tyrus Raymond Cobb, fiery old-time star of the diamond, stepped up to the plate today to clout a verbal home run in favor of Negroes in baseball.
Himself a native of the Deep South, Cobb voiced approval of the recent decision of the Dallas club to use Negro players if they came up to Texas league caliber.


The old Georgia Peach of Detroit Tigers fame was a fighter from the word go during his brilliant playing career. He neither asked for nor gave quarter in 24 tumultuous years in the American League. Time has mellowed the one time firebrand and he views the sport in the pleasant role of a country squire. He spoke emphatically on the subject of Negroes in baseball, however.

"Certainly it is O.K. for them to play," he said, "I see no reason in the world why we shouldn't compete with colored athletes as long as they conduct themselves with politeness and gentility. Let me say also that no white man has the right to be less of a gentleman than a colored man, in my book that goes not only for baseball but in all walks of life.”

"I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."

Referring again to last week's developments in the Texas league, Cobb declared, "It was bound to come." He meant the breaking down of baseball's racial barriers in the old south.

Cobb expressed the belief Negroes eventually would be playing in every league in the country. He concluded with: "Why not, as long as they deport themselves like gentlemen?"

Ty Cobb did have an altercation with at least four African-Americans during his lifetime, but I have all the documents from these incidents, and in every case, the problem can be traced back to an action, unrelated to racism, that was committed by Cobb himself, the black person, or a third party, which caused the issue to escalate into an altercation.
Yo must be a cac. You need to dig deeper. :camby:Notice this shyt is when he was in his fukkin sixties and long after he finished. Please let's not have this discussion. That George Wallace shyt.
 

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You guys are really underrating Cabrera at the plate here. He should finish with a higher career BA, more hits, more doubles, more RBI's and close to the the number of homeruns if he can keep this pace up for the next 6-7 years.

Bonds had 4 GODLY seasons at the plate that cannot be disputed. Struck out less and walked much more, but I will take Cabrera over bonds all-time at the plate.

Bonds is the better player, but at the plate Cabrera is better than he is IMO.
Miguel Cabrera career ops+ so far: 154
Bonds: 182

That's adjusted for the era and parks they played in.
 

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Yo must be a cac. You need to dig deeper. :camby:Notice this shyt is when he was in his fukkin sixties and long after he finished. Please let's not have this discussion. That George Wallace shyt.

:yeshrug: he played barnstorm games in Cuba in 1911, he was in his 20's then. if he was racist wouldn't he stay home in Georgia in the off season?
 

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You guys are really underrating Cabrera at the plate here. He should finish with a higher career BA, more hits, more doubles, more RBI's and close to the the number of homeruns if he can keep this pace up for the next 6-7 years.

Bonds had 4 GODLY seasons at the plate that cannot be disputed. Struck out less and walked much more, but I will take Cabrera over bonds all-time at the plate.

Bonds is the better player, but at the plate Cabrera is better than he is IMO.
lol @ this whole post. Jesus Christ.

Bonds' CAREER OPS is 1.051. Cabrera has only reached that mark in ONE SEASON.
Bonds' CAREER OPS+ is 182. Cabrera has only reached that mark in ONE SEASON (and is at 183 this season so far).

Cabrera is a great hitter. Bonds is on a completely different level. This is not an argument. It is a fact.
 

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comparing Bonds' steroid years to Miggy's clean years just isn't fair.


you know the phrase "on steroids" - that's literally what Bonds #'s were on.
 

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How did I know stat nerds would find a way to bring trout into this thread...Goddamn you guys act like the most scorned bunch in sports when something doesn't go your way.
 
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