Moses the EGYPTIAN?
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Exodus 7:1
Egyptians didnt "disbelieve" anything if you understand the concept of Amun
ANCIENT EGYPT : Amun and the One, Great & Hidden
Five Hymns to Amun of Papyrus Leiden I 350 - unbegotten preexistence, double-concealed in transcendence and immanence, and the unity of Ancient Egyptian theologies
www.sofiatopia.org
DoubleClutch
Superstar
could be this one
Exodus 7:1
Egyptians didnt "disbelieve" anything if you understand the concept of Amun
ANCIENT EGYPT : Amun and the One, Great & Hidden
Five Hymns to Amun of Papyrus Leiden I 350 - unbegotten preexistence, double-concealed in transcendence and immanence, and the unity of Ancient Egyptian theologieswww.sofiatopia.org
Almost forgot about that threadY’all don’t really believe GOD has a physical face right?
Unless you’re referring to Jesus
I see you still haven’t solved the “Moses problem” yet MMS.
In a way I God continually undermines what the pagan religious Gods (demons) try to do.
Gods plays 4D chess while they’re playing Checkers
Ironically Islam tried to the the same thing to God (of the Bible), but after the fact and too late to count. Plus there are no Muslim or “Arab” prophets in the Bible so
You can’t attempt to rewrite history simply because you dont understand it
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Almost forgot about that thread
I see you still haven’t solved the “Moses problem” yet MMS.
In a way I God continually undermines what the pagan religious Gods (demons) try to do.
Gods plays 4D chess while they’re playing Checkers
Ironically Islam tried to the the same thing to God (of the Bible), but after the fact and too late to count. Plus there are no Muslim or “Arab” prophets in the Bible so
You can’t attempt to rewrite history simply because you dont understand it
Ty Daniels
All Star
Meses/Moses is an Egyptian Name, and has been an Egyptian Name before the Hebrews.
"Rameses" the alleged King of the Exodus Event, was named "Ra-Moses", "Ra-Meses", "Ra-Mesu".
As the vowels weren't written down in Metu Neter "Hieroglyphics", the actual vowels (a,e,i,o,u) used aren't known.
We have King Theuti-Meses/Theuti-Moses "Tuthmoses" of the 18th Dynasty, as well as, who knows how many other people Named "Meses/Moses/Mesu" etc... in "Egypt".
"Messu/Moses etc.." means "Born" / "Born Of" in Metu Neter "Hieroglyphics".
It is not the name of a "God".
Another example is "Kamoses" (Ka-Moses) of the 18th dynasty, who's name means "Born Of Spirit".
"Rameses" the alleged King of the Exodus Event, was named "Ra-Moses", "Ra-Meses", "Ra-Mesu".
As the vowels weren't written down in Metu Neter "Hieroglyphics", the actual vowels (a,e,i,o,u) used aren't known.
We have King Theuti-Meses/Theuti-Moses "Tuthmoses" of the 18th Dynasty, as well as, who knows how many other people Named "Meses/Moses/Mesu" etc... in "Egypt".
"Messu/Moses etc.." means "Born" / "Born Of" in Metu Neter "Hieroglyphics".
It is not the name of a "God".
Another example is "Kamoses" (Ka-Moses) of the 18th dynasty, who's name means "Born Of Spirit".
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DoubleClutch
Superstar
Him speaking to God “face to face”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
B-b-but “no man can see the “father and live”
who said "no man can see the father?"Him speaking to God “face to face”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
B-b-but “no man can see the “father and live”
We are living in a world of illusion
No young Breh. The real question is Jiqqa who ? :russ:
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DoubleClutch
Superstar
who said "no man can see the father?"
We are living in a world of illusion
No young Breh. The real question is Jiqqa who ? :russ:
Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed.”
Maybe we got it wrong. We give Moses too much credit.
“What you don’t see is what you get”
Ozymandeas
Veteran
His name is Egyptian. They went over it exhaustively in the Netflix docuseries.
Jesus also said you must be born of water and the spiritJesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed.”
Maybe we got it wrong. We give Moses too much credit.
“What you don’t see is what you get”
and if you dont believe in Moses, I've got some bad news for you
Isaiah 58:1-11
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Thus says the LORD: "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a trumpet; declare to my people their transgression, to the house of Jacob their sins. Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as if they were a nation that did righteousness and did not forsake the ordinance of their God; they ask of me righteous judgments, they delight to draw near to God. 'Why have we fasted, and thou seest it not? Why have we humbled ourselves, and thou takest no knowledge of it?' Behold, in the day of your fast you seek your own pleasure, and oppress all your workers. Behold, you fast only to quarrel and to fight and to hit with wicked fist. Fasting like yours this day will not make your voice to be heard on high. Is such the fast that I choose, a day for a man to humble himself? Is it to bow down his head like a rush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and a day acceptable to the LORD?
"Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the thongs of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? Then shall your light break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up speedily; your righteousness shall go before you, the glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard. Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; you shall cry, and he will say, "Here I am."
"If you take away from the midst of you the yoke, the pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, if you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. And the LORD will guide you continually, and satisfy your desire with good things, and make your bones strong; and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
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@Ty Daniels this applies to you too
see thats the thing though
the english transliteration is "Moses" but the jewish transliteration is "Moshe" or "Moshah"
because there are no vowels his name is spelled with Mem Shin He
whereas names used by egyptians like Ramesses, it is Resh Mem Samekh Vav
So phonetically "Ra Me Su"...which doesnt sound the same
and in the bible Gilead is at war with Ephraimites (a Tribe of Joseph) that could not discern between Sibboleth and Shibboleth (Samekh and Shin)
Shibboleth - Wikipedia
Bonus:
Papyrus Anastasi I - Wikipedia
Egyptians had issues with the Jordan river for some reason
I know the secret but im not telling. Only someone who is a true biblical scholar
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Koichos
Pro
Actually, it is a neutral Egyptian word (though it would normally have been prefixed by the name of one of the many Egyptian deities).I never knew this about Moses name. He was named after Pagan Egyptian Gods.
The name ‘Mοsheh’ ultimately derives from Egyptian, and through a kind of play on words is connected to the Hebrew root-verb משׁה mashah 'to draw up/out (of water)' in Parashat ‘Sh'mοt’ 2:10, reflecting a remark that was made at the time of baby Mοsheh’s weaning:
Note that the text does not say when she made this remark; we learn from D.H. Part I 4:18 that she had joined the escaping Jews at the time of the Exodus and converted to Judaism, and so she may well have exclaimed 'because I pulled him out of the water' at that time.
Koichos
Pro
There are vowels, however they are usually omitted from writing except in language-teaching books and other children's texts, and printed Bibles (but never handwritten scrolls), Prayer Books, etc.—so that the prophet's name is written as משה but read as מֹשֶׁה.
*Marked at Sh'mοt 2:10 (first occurrence), 2:11, 2:14, 2:15 twice, 2:17, 2:21 twice, 3:1, 3:3, 3:4 twice and 3:6
*The full ˁammud (column) begins with Sh'mοt 2:9 and ends with Sh'mοt 3:7
*The right column is how the text appears in printed Torah books (with punctuation, and musical accents used for ceremonial readings)
*The full ˁammud (column) begins with Sh'mοt 2:9 and ends with Sh'mοt 3:7
*The left column is how the text appears in handwritten Torah scrolls (without punctuation, or any marks to show the end of sentences)
*The right column is how the text appears in printed Torah books (with punctuation, and musical accents used for ceremonial readings)
In Hebrew it is spelled רעמסס; the name actually occurs twice in the Tοrah: