Most American “Socialists” Are Crash Test Dummies For A Pipe Dream

[RickyDiBiase]

A nikka whose entire bloodline has been annihilated in the quest for global hegemony talking about a pipe dream . Mufukkas is the poorest group in the northern hemisphere with absolutely no prospects for social upliftment or self determination and You talm bout atleast I got my luxuries . PS5>child not being a slave


Yall had a whole thread yestersay where Wikipedia goons detailed every bit of Du Bois life but you gonna sit here and tell me that socialist theory just started and we got it from White Americans?

All them nikkas that died fighting to dispossess Indians and Mexicans of land then came home to sharecropping plots just so you could say they died for you to complain on the coli about what you didn’t get from previous generations.

This nikka just told us that even under white supremacy we were uplifted…Br9 whattttttttteyehehejensjs I’m deadass malfunctioning at the thought of a nikka saying a system that lives on exploitation of the underclass is the best thing for a permanent underclass.

Last I checked my child ain’t a slave. Im sure my ancestors would be proud one of their descendants owns his own home, his own buisness and has a supportive family that ain’t mingled with the oppressor class. Thats the thing about some of ya’ll. Yall are very condescending and inflammatory and try to use your expectations and perspective as if its a one size fits all thing breh. The disrespect isn’t called for

 

[FrontoBama]

Last I checked my child ain’t a slave. Im sure my ancestors would be proud one of their descendants owns his own home, his own buisness and has a supportive family that ain’t mingled with the oppressor class. Thats the thing about some of ya’ll. Yall are very condescending and inflammatory and try to use your expectations and perspective as if its a one size fits all thing breh. The disrespect isn’t called for

Everything I said about you applies to me also, God. There isn’t a “my perspective” on whether or not our race has fought capitalism‘s wars and benefitted nothing from it, it’s a historical fact.

Your uncle is dead and mine is too, the white capitalist killed him to found his kingdom.

I apologize if you thought that was a personal attack.

That said, the capital in capital-ism derives wholly from the exploitation of others, who are always Black. Be it cotton money seeding JP Morgan, or JP Morgan using cotton money to turn profit on privatized prisons 100 years later.

 

[TallMan_J]

@RickyDiBiase

I appreciate you starting the conversation, but I agree and disagree with some of the things that you said.

 

[ISO]

I don't have enough faith in any human for communism to work.

Maybe if society was ran by a benevolent AI or altruistic algorithm

Exactly shyt is impossible in a large scale society humans ain’t shyt

 

[Wildhundreds]

American socialists are basically proto-conservatives. They're socially liberal because they don't think government should stop people from existing if they aren't causing tangible harm to anyone and they want government to do its JOB which is to protect citizens. Protecting citizens means protecting them from discrimination, reigning in businesses who don't see human beings as anything other than a business expense, staying out of wars that have nothing to do with us and minding our own business.

They want to take things BACK to what worked. They want streetcars and public transit again which is how American cities used to be organized. People fukking hated cars when they came on the scene. They want those shyt congested highways gone and housing built back there.

They want millionaires taxed like they were before the 1970s. They want the government to put money back into infrastructure like they used to for housing and roads and fight unemployment with public works jobs like they did in the 30s,40s, and 50s.

They want unions back. Conservatives stopped being "conservative" when Reagan showed up. Since that man showed up, Republicans have basically turned into the party of big business. They hate unions(except police unions) they hate government power(except the military and the police when they're in control and can use them to attack their critics) they want to push their religion on others, and they want to privatize as many public services as they can for profit. They're actively changing things for the worse and ignoring legislation that protected people, small businesses and encouraged economic competition.

The modern American "socialist" is what the republican party probably would have become if they didn't decide they were going to need as many racists and fundamentalist "christians" as they could find. They dumbed themselves down enough that big business could step in, finish them off and then use the corpse of the party as a puppet to convince you what's best for your boss's boss is best for all of America and you hate America if you don't kiss police ass and let your bosses do whatever they want to you and let companies destroy your city.

You don't believe those thats pushing green energy won't eventually run it how republicans ran the fossil fuel industry?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Most of the new deal policies have been destoryed in less than a century and actively being whittled away now. And the maneuverability to pull it off required America's wealth at the time that was built off slavery. It took bloody capitalist dollars to fund those social programs. hence america being a bad example.

Besides the New Deal also set the groundwork for the economic turmoil most folks are experiencing today because of this

Emergency Banking Act of 1933

Signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 9, 1933, the legislation was aimed at restoring public confidence in the nation’s financial system after a weeklong bank holiday.

www.federalreservehistory.org

Imagine not knowing anything about what Clinton’s administration did before he left. Read up on it. glass stegall have fun

No self respecting person who knows anything about the 08 collapse and subsequent issues since are blaming it on the fukking 1933 banking act

 

[Still Benefited]

The problem is always the people and not the system. Righteous black men at the helm of capitalism,capitalism would be the most beautiful system in the world. A righteous black man as a tyrant? Tyranny would be the most beautiful system in the world. So on and so forth


Championing capitalism,when essentially its a bunch of rich people being socialist,and hoarding the resources among themselves?seems odd.


But if people are too stupid and fearful to realize they fit the definiton of a commodity,yet never truly have the balls to force an increase of their market value


But im not going to champion capitalism as something great based on what ive seen. Its garbage as every other system that has greedy,unempathetic leadership. Which is essentially everywhere that has leaders ruling over millions of people.

 

[Payday23]

What else is there to say, the idea of socialism/communism has one of the WOAT track records for stabilized and productive society.

China-Zero privacy, genocide, more billionaires than the US, theatrical treaties with India

Venezuela- losing their population and we get more of their people, food shortages, no noticeable industry and no prosperity

Cuba- Same as Venezuela, only bright side is they turned them white cubans into the track team…but black cubans still live an abject poverty. But I will give them credit for their medical prowess

Vietnam- Not even socialist, like china they slowly transitioned to capitalism, probably the most stable of all whats left of modern day communist* societies


America as a society at the end of the day ain’t shyt, we know this. but I can guarantee I have the bare necessities to function from essentials to some luxury. If i want to I can start and engage in commerce on my own free will not cause of beauraceacy and red tape. Most black prosperity even under white supremacy was done via capitalism. More black Americans were lifted and given a sense economic mobility becxause of it. So now because of some old fukk from the WHITEST part of America is talking all this socialism shyt, we’re suppoused to drop any and all aspirations and sing kumbya with cacs and non-blacks who despise us especially when we’re doing better than them? Also do people think we’re NOT gonna be working more than we are currently? Does that not fly in the face of the alleged ‘freedom’ and betterment of society you hear them go on and on about? No thank you. I would much rather see black folk continue to express interests in financial literacy, the fight for reparations, continued work in the trades and trucking and continuing pursuing higher education than some bullshyt Karl Marx said 200 years ago

Aren't you a Trump supporter?

 

[Fill Collins]

Small business owners aren’t perfect I’ll agree with you there. I’m just filling a need at the end of the day

I hear you, you glossed over all of this though

Your Jesus was a socialist

He ran up on money exchangers, lenders, and merchants in the synagogue; healed ppl for free, raved against greed, etc.

You're fine with capitalism as it stands now? Where corporations and foreign money launderers can buy up multiple blocks of a town and price out the working poor? Where price gouging and employers refusing to pay service industry workers is openly acknowledged and fukking over consumers?

I'm not a communist, I just want actual safety nets; corporations, megachurches and billionaires not getting tax breaks, and life not being so damn expensive

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

You don't believe those thats pushing green energy won't eventually run it how republicans ran the fossil fuel industry?

Business is business. When you tell people they have to make as much money as possible, they'll look for anyway to do it. If the government cared about protecting people, when the link between fossil fuels and climate change was clear, they would have taxed them through the roof and FORCED them to invest in green energy so their business could survive.

Renewable energy isn't doing demonstrable harm to the environment, and if there are strong anti-trust regulations like we had in the past, competition would breed better wages for workers, more innovation, and better prices. When you have basically 3 oil companies running everything, you have less choice and they can let their nuts hang if they know government wont break them up like they did the steel and oil companies in the early 1900s.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Aren't you a Trump supporter?

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Biden in 2020

I hear you, you glossed over all of this though

Thats not socialism. Ya’ll are focused on the one aspect which is redistribution of goods and services to the broader populace. Some would call that charity. But yall aren’t taking into account how a socialist system would actual function and maintain itself.

And no I’m not ok with any of that and no I don’t think any of that is fine. Just like if we woke up tomorrow and we lived under a Marxist society there would be things I’m sure you’d disagree with as well

 

[Payday23]

America is already a Capitalist nation though..the leading one in the world.
So if you haven't gotten wealthy off that status alone then capitalism clearly doesn't work for most people and only gives a sense or impression of it with all the unattainable wealth around.

It's a mixed system of capitalism and socialism

 

[Kenny West]

Imagine not knowing anything about what Clinton’s administration did before he left. Read up on it. glass stegall have fun

No self respecting person who knows anything about the 08 collapse and subsequent issues since are blaming it on the fukking 1933 banking act

Glass stegal was made back then. Giving the Fed power to issue was a mistake, 08 and now are results but your in full cape mode so whatevs

Also see that you quietly ducked the source of that wealth who's distribution you were so proud of. Yaay the slavery wealth was reinvested in the middle class that black people were being legislated out of

A hypercapitalist state like this should be last on any list for shining examples of socialism.