Movie genre that are (or were) dead, and the film that delivered the deathblow

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

I was at EMP in seattle looking at an exhibit of the history of horror films. Really interesting. They had a great timeline of horror movies and the genre in general, the origin of fear movies (like how zombies are Hatian and african culture ghost stories), and more...

..and it made me think about the genre deeper. in a documentary, Eli roth was talking about how when the exorcist was made, the big studios DESIRED to make horror films...like that studio made a big academy award film, then was like "now lets make a horror drama" and they approached it AS a drama. This is also why the film was so good...studios don't do this any more. HALLOWEEN was made this way. Friday the 13th and poltergeist as well.

Now? Direct to DVD status unless you're a reboot or rehash of some old stuff.

Some say, SAW ruined it with a return to torture or superviolence horror which turns A LOT of people off..and people emulating this style. SCREAM was a throwback to the bigger studio and actor horror films, and the psychological fear rather than slasher status.

So, I attribute SAW to ruining to genre, along with others.

What are your thoughts on this, or OTHER genre that are stagnant

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Special effects ruined the action genre. Now, you can point to say Raid 2 and that's great but it's not getting a lot of theaters in the U.S.

I don't know who is to blame. You can't blame Terminator 2 because the special effects in that were way ahead of their time and Cameron still used a lot of old methods to film the action sequences. That's what's missing. If you are going to film action you need to use as little special effects as possible or they better be damn good. Cap 2: Winter Soldier did a nice job with this, with blending effects with traditional methods.

 

[Drew Wonder]

Some say, SAW ruined it with a return to torture or superviolence horror which turns A LOT of people off..and people emulating this style. SCREAM was a throwback to the bigger studio and actor horror films, and the psychological fear rather than slasher status.

So, I attribute SAW to ruining to genre, along with others.

Most ironic part is that a lot of fans of Exorcist-era horror-dramas believe The Conjuring, which was directed by the same dude who made Saw, resurrected horror movies by putting the focus back on suspense, good filmmaking and acting rather than gore.

so the same dude who killed horror brought it back to life

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Special effects ruined the action genre. Now, you can point to say Raid 2 and that's great but it's not getting a lot of theaters in the U.S.

I don't know who is to blame. You can't blame Terminator 2 because the special effects in that were way ahead of their time and Cameron still used a lot of old methods to film the action sequences. That's what's missing. If you are going to film action you need to use as little special effects as possible or they better be damn good. Cap 2: Winter Soldier did a nice job with this, with blending effects with traditional methods.

Terminator 2 is action but realistically its background and whatnot was Scifi with the HIGH quality special effects.

For action I might have to say it was the trend that for some reason in the late 90s action movies needed comedy. And not just one liners like bruce willis, like...breaks in action for jokes and sillyness. Everyone tried to do that and it just doesn't work usually..and it REALLY watered down action. While the series was a success, I gotta say RUSH HOUR 2 breaking RECORDs with that formula made no movie just a hardcore action film until like...JOHN RAMBO almost 10 years later.

BTW, big shouts to Stalone for resurrecting your hardcore ultra violent shoot em up with John Rambo, and Expendables. yes the expendables is a sloppy POS but so was Commando its part of the genre at its best.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Brett Ratner is a hack so I will co-sign any hate thrown in his direction.

 

[Drew Wonder]

Scary Movie ruined the spoof genre. Scary Movie was actually pretty funny, but after it became so successful, spoof movies became lazy and just threw in a bunch of pop culture references instead of actual jokes. Now you have all the bullshyt "Epic/Date/Superhero movie" spoofs

I thought Black Dynamite would resurrect it but while that movie gained a nice cult following it didn't have a big enough commercial impact to change the direction of spoofs. We'll probably never see a spoof movie as funny as Airplane/Dont be a Menace/I'm Gonna Get You Sucka etc. again

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Brett Ratner is a hack so I will co-sign any hate thrown in his direction.

If not for rush hour 2, bad boys 2 doesn't get made x 10,000..that series was dead after the OG

 

[Drew Wonder]

Special effects ruined the action genre. Now, you can point to say Raid 2 and that's great but it's not getting a lot of theaters in the U.S.

I don't know who is to blame. You can't blame Terminator 2 because the special effects in that were way ahead of their time and Cameron still used a lot of old methods to film the action sequences. That's what's missing. If you are going to film action you need to use as little special effects as possible or they better be damn good. Cap 2: Winter Soldier did a nice job with this, with blending effects with traditional methods.

Some would say the Matrix. Even though the Matrix is one of the GOATs, after that movie studios got lazy with the bullet time, slow mo and highly stylized action. early 00s action flicks were mostly trash

I think action flicks have had a nice little comeback of late though with the Bourne movies bringing in a more gritty approach, and as Ed mentioned, Stallone bringing back the ultra-violent approach.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Scary Movie ruined the spoof genre. Scary Movie was actually pretty funny, but after it became so successful, spoof movies became lazy and just threw in a bunch of pop culture references instead of actual jokes. Now you have all the bullshyt "Epic/Date/Superhero movie" spoofs

I thought Black Dynamite would resurrect it but while that movie gained a nice cult following it didn't have a big enough commercial impact to change the direction of spoofs. We'll probably never see a spoof movie as funny as Airplane/Dont be a Menace/I'm Gonna Get You Sucka etc. again

yeah...much like rush hour 2...most of the 'killed the genre' are going to be smash successes that people milk. Thats a great example...

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Some would say the Matrix. Even though the Matrix is one of the GOATs, after that movie studios got lazy with the bullet time, slow mo and highly stylized action. early 00s action flicks were mostly trash

I think action flicks have had a nice little comeback of late though with the Bourne movies bringing in a more gritty approach, and as Ed mentioned, Stallone bringing back the ultra-violent approach.

ya know, bourne was great beacuse it inspired more JAMES BOND type action heroes...and I don't mean special agents, I mean badass dudes who will just fight you in a hallway...Statham, hell, if not for bourne there is no taken.

 

[Drew Wonder]

ya know, bourne was great beacuse it inspired more JAMES BOND type action heroes...and I don't mean special agents, I mean badass dudes who will just fight you in a hallway...Statham, hell, if not for bourne there is no taken.

Yup, and I also don't think the Daniel Craig-era Bond flicks would have the same direction if not for Bourne

 

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[Drew Wonder]

I hate to make the cliched "Tyler Perry sucks" post, but Diary of a Mad Black Woman really ruined black drama/romance movies imo. It ushered in a new era of over the top, melodramatic black films, replacing the subtle more down to earth movies like Brown Sugar, The Wood, Love and Basketball, etc.

the biggest example of the impact Tyler Perry had would be comparing the Best Man to the Best Man Holiday. I liked Best Man Holiday, but all those over the top/overblown dramatic moments wouldn't be in there if not for Tyler Perry. The Best Man was a much more subtle, laidback type of film in comparison whereas the Best Man Holiday reminded me of a stage play

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

I hate to make the cliched "Tyler Perry sucks" post, but Diary of a Mad Black Woman really ruined black drama/romance movies imo. It ushered in a new era of over the top, melodramatic black films, replacing the subtle more down to earth movies like Brown Sugar, The Wood, Love and Basketball, etc.

the biggest example of the impact Tyler Perry had would be comparing the Best Man to the Best Man Holiday. I liked Best Man Holiday, but all those over the top/overblown dramatic moments wouldn't be in there if not for Tyler Perry. The Best Man was a much more subtle, laidback type of film in comparison whereas the Best Man Holiday reminded me of a stage play

Its also why I liked "about last night" so much because it had absolutely nothing to do with that bafoon and was traditional romantic comedy [yes I know it was a remake]

 

[Drew Wonder]

Its also why I liked "about last night" so much because it had absolutely nothing to do with that bafoon and was traditional romantic comedy [yes I know it was a remake]

Yup, no big "moments," no over the top music, just real people dealing with real shyt.

Edit: I'm a huge supporter of this channel right here. This is the type of direction I would love commercial black comedy/drama films to go in
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