My problem with the "Woke" Left and how it conflicts me (long post)

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IN light of the election, ive really turned a critical/objective eye on the sociopolitical atmosphere in America. Particularly the leftist side of things (seeing as how "we" lost). Im sure we can talk for days about how Trump won etc. etc.

But the aftermath of the Election has really made me realize that the woke left annoys me more than i thought.

The best way to explain this....is for me to use Shaun King as an example.

For those who don't know, Shaun King is the senior justice writer for the New York Daily News. In the past year, his work and profile have become prolific (he was the writer who really broke open the Peyton Manning sexual harassment story from the spring). His pieces are often the leading source of information and debate in regards to (mostly) racial injustices/inequality. He is a very through investigator, intelligent, and passionate journalist.

But this is what annoys me about him.

His social media profile/stories highlight the injustices and the people around them. After getting wind of a racist who has committed an unjust act, he will often advocate for people to report them so that the said racists beliefs are now a matter of public record (especially important if they are a person of authority). Much of his work is about holding the systems/individuals accountable. He currently is organizing a movement to oppose and protest Trumps incoming presidency.

Now let me say that that all of this FINE. Im not against it and I agree with a lot of it.

My problem is...Shaun King is representative of a movement that never seems to offer real tools to uplift and enhance the living situations of the oppressed. With regards to the woke left, there never seems to be any focus on enhancing education and autonomy through financial literacy, firearm training and ownership, educational outreach and resources, job education programs, etc. etc. etc.

It seems that they are solely committed into winning the hearts and minds of the American people by shaming and shouting down the various -isms. It seems that their tactic is to publicize every act of injustice until the public changes their mind, which is not a plan with tangible results.

I think what the woke left is missing is that Martin and the Freedom Riders marched with a several set goals in mind (voting rights a huge goal In particular). I don't think they ever went out with the MAIN goal of trying to shame racism out of existence because in the circumstances they grew up in, how they could ever NOT live in a racist world?

Malcolm in particular DID NOT GIVE A FLYING fukk what non blacks thought and was not out to change minds. He viewed trying to win hearts and minds as pointless and even demeaning (essentially begging for scraps in his eyes). His goal was about creating a sense of pride, autonomy, and unity in the black community so that we wouldn't NEED to ask the white man for anything.

NO their goals were more tangible and concrete.

My conflict with this is, there is a large subset of the country that really has no idea. They have no idea the injustice that PoC, LGBT, Muslims, etc. go through. They cant conceive it. And highlighting injustices and shouting down the -isms (especially on social media) is a means to make taboos out of bigoted and prejudice behavior.

But where should the idealism of hoping you can change hundreds of years of prejudices end, and becoming cynical and preemptive enough to embolden the oppressed with the tools to succeed (because you know you CANT win everyones heart and mind) begin?
 

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You're right. As much power as liberals hold in this country, it would seem that black people would be much further along. We should have way more CEO'S/Lawyers/Execs/Congressmen/Doctors etc (esp in entertainment and music) than we do now. The left seems to have forgotten about blacks and well, that is partly on us for NOT branching out and creating our own. Black women are raising most of our children alone and that should not be the case. Thanks to Bill punk ass, he set black families back more than any other president in history. Barack came along and didn't do much to help us directly even though he realized (moreso when he got elected) the perils we face as a community. He tried to bring us together but obviously, they (cacs) don't want to be united. They want their country back white again, PERIOD! Black folks need to wake up and build businesses and help each other. We are all we have (for the most part) and being so knowledgeable about entertainment events such as who Tiny fukked before she got with T.I etc is a huge fukking distraction. nikka's still don't see it brehs....they don't.......Empire was trending in its usual place the day after the election and nikkas have all but forgotten about politics smh
 
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What fools like Shaun King fail to realize is that the days of white guilt are over. They feel like THEY are the victims now and are tired of black folks whining about oppression. The only real thing Hillary said during the entire election was actually directed towards his type.

When addressing the BLM movement:

"Look, I don't believe you change hearts," Clinton said, arguing that the movement can't change deep seated racism. "I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change every heart. You're not.

She went off code and basically told BLM the truth. Thes cacs are not gonna be shamed into changing. It is what it is. Simply exposing them and expecting them to change their entire mindsets is not possible. Shaun King is a cac himself so he is not gonna be about empowerment. Them BLM ppl are gays and they think whining to white daddy and praying to blonde Jesus is gonna change their situation. Circulating the black dollar, education, unity, infrastructure and self sufficiency is the only way. We been a thorn in these cacs side since Abe "freed" us (to protect the union). They dont care about you, me or us. They never will.
 
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Kinda tired of gays being lumped into the same group as Blacks. Gays get their agenda accomplished because there are a lot of closeted gays in positions of power. Blacks have been giving their votes and potential advantages away for decades. And I'm certain anyone who floated the idea of creating a Black political party exclusively was shouted down or worse. Trust me, mexicans are organizing right now getting their plan and agenda solidified if shyts gets crazy.
 

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IN light of the election, ive really turned a critical/objective eye on the sociopolitical atmosphere in America. Particularly the leftist side of things (seeing as how "we" lost). Im sure we can talk for days about how Trump won etc. etc.

But the aftermath of the Election has really made me realize that the woke left annoys me more than i thought.

The best way to explain this....is for me to use Shaun King as an example.

For those who don't know, Shaun King is the senior justice writer for the New York Daily News. In the past year, his work and profile have become prolific (he was the writer who really broke open the Peyton Manning sexual harassment story from the spring). His pieces are often the leading source of information and debate in regards to (mostly) racial injustices/inequality. He is a very through investigator, intelligent, and passionate journalist.

But this is what annoys me about him.

His social media profile/stories highlight the injustices and the people around them. After getting wind of a racist who has committed an unjust act, he will often advocate for people to report them so that the said racists beliefs are now a matter of public record (especially important if they are a person of authority). Much of his work is about holding the systems/individuals accountable. He currently is organizing a movement to oppose and protest Trumps incoming presidency.

Now let me say that that all of this FINE. Im not against it and I agree with a lot of it.

My problem is...Shaun King is representative of a movement that never seems to offer real tools to uplift and enhance the living situations of the oppressed. With regards to the woke left, there never seems to be any focus on enhancing education and autonomy through financial literacy, firearm training and ownership, educational outreach and resources, job education programs, etc. etc. etc.

It seems that they are solely committed into winning the hearts and minds of the American people by shaming and shouting down the various -isms. It seems that their tactic is to publicize every act of injustice until the public changes their mind, which is not a plan with tangible results.

I think what the woke left is missing is that Martin and the Freedom Riders marched with a several set goals in mind (voting rights a huge goal In particular). I don't think they ever went out with the MAIN goal of trying to shame racism out of existence because in the circumstances they grew up in, how they could ever NOT live in a racist world?

Malcolm in particular DID NOT GIVE A FLYING fukk what non blacks thought and was not out to change minds. He viewed trying to win hearts and minds as pointless and even demeaning (essentially begging for scraps in his eyes). His goal was about creating a sense of pride, autonomy, and unity in the black community so that we wouldn't NEED to ask the white man for anything.

NO their goals were more tangible and concrete.

My conflict with this is, there is a large subset of the country that really has no idea. They have no idea the injustice that PoC, LGBT, Muslims, etc. go through. They cant conceive it. And highlighting injustices and shouting down the -isms (especially on social media) is a means to make taboos out of bigoted and prejudice behavior.

But where should the idealism of hoping you can change hundreds of years of prejudices end, and becoming cynical and preemptive enough to embolden the oppressed with the tools to succeed (because you know you CANT win everyones heart and mind) begin?

the working class cacs, if not the rest of the whole world, now basically see blacks/AAs as a bunch of entitled whinnig crackhead fags ..liberal crap like fighting for damn faq rights was never a 'black''/AAs thing...it's time to untangle from the degenerate parasitic groups that have attached themselves to our people...pushing that liberal agenda aint gonna do us any good brehs...let's leave these brain dead liberals in the sewage of their own drug/faq fueled degeneracy or go to hell with them :francis:
 
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Kinda tired of gays being lumped into the same group as Blacks. Gays get their agenda accomplished because there are a lot of closeted gays in positions of power. Blacks have been giving their votes and potential advantages away for decades. And I'm certain anyone who floated the idea of creating a Black political party exclusively was shouted down or worse. Trust me, mexicans are organizing right now getting their plan and agenda solidified if shyts gets crazy.
Mexicans are right next door with a booster population of immigrants.
They also have white status on paper, ability to transmit funds and wash money with impunity, and A ROLE.
They are a middleman minority. We shouldn't take any advice from them OR do anything they do.
 

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Mexicans are right next door with a booster population of immigrants.
They also have white status on paper, ability to transmit funds and wash money with impunity, and A ROLE.
They are a middleman minority. We shouldn't take any advice from them OR do anything they do.
Do Mexicans claim white on paper like that? I know hispanics do. I am not sure if mexicans do that. I know that mexicans fall in the hispanic category, but
 

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I'm more of the MLK mindset of fighting for equality and fair treatment WHILE building black businesses and becoming self reliant.

We should protest the unfair treatment with economic boycotts, that will help us build our own base as well. We do need to be involved in the political system because without that, we have no say in what laws are passed to keep us subjugated.

I don't believe we can change the hearts of racists but we can hit them in their pockets and we can help build the economic and political base that will look out for our interests.
 

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I agree with the premise of this thread, and it's what is being said more and more in Africa too by business people, intellectuals, etc...stop trying to change people, and build Africa (in this case) up yourself. Same with the new wave of afro-descendants in Europe. Less seem to be caring about "acceptance" or whatnot, except for pointing out obvious cases of racism that can lead to legal action. The thing now is let's oopen our businesses, write our books/magazines, learn our languages, etc etc

But I would like to make a point : some aspects of "building" involve public matters : education, health, fighting against gentrification, police profilling/brutality, etc...so for all of the needed "Let's do this ourselves", some issues have to be adressed at a higher level, so more often than not you little alternative but to bring your grievances to people in power. And since those people in power care about public opinion, well you have to work that public opinion.

So I understand both aspects of it, but indeed if you only rely on hoping that hearts will change, that's a losing strategy. Hearts will change when the racist man or woman has to apply for a job and the boss is black.
 

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This country/Govt is never going to allow us justice under its current configuration

That's why I'm sitting back gonna let it burn down first then we can rebuild

Until then
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