My wife's cousin is slowly dragging her into this conspiracy shyt

[Professor Emeritus]

11 years LATER guess who owned the Nairobi Westgate!?

I was trying to figure out what the fukk you were talking about, because Larry Silverstein doesn't have anything to do with Westgate.

Then I realized that you were talking about Lowy, the guy who founded Westgate malls. But Lowy didn't even buy the World Trade Center, he was just a minor partner. He put in $140 million, a tiny fraction, to get the rights to turn 4 levels of the WTC into a giant Westgate mall. But because of 9/11, he DIDN'T get his mall. Instead, he ended up just selling his share back to NYC, paying for the rights to first dibs when the center was back open to retail again, and then paid again for the retail space in 2013 when it finally became available. But in the end he got barely half the space that he would have gotten in the original towers.

Why the fukk would a guy who runs mall want to be forced to wait an extra 15 years to open his mall in one of the world's most prime locations? And only get half the space that he originally would have had? How does that help him? He's 90 years old now (was 70 when the offer was first made), I have trouble seeing what he gains.

And the fact that the mall in Nairobi was a Westgate mall isn't some giant coincidence. Westgate is a massive company, they control over $50 billion worth of malls across the world. The fact that they had a mall planned for the WTC and also had a mall in Nairobi is just what happens when you have hundreds of malls. I mean, it took 12 years and the other side of the world before a terrorist attack affected a Westgate mall again, that's not even surprising that it happened eventually. But again, wtf does Westgate gain from losing business and revenue like that? It sort of interferes dramatically with their business model.



Also, the two companies lost five high-level executives in the attacks. But I guess they were just collateral damage too? "Hey, don't tell Larry but we're gonna blow this shyt up. Gotta make it look real, you know. I never liked him anyway."

 

[Consigliere]

A friend of mine is going through this with her husband right now. He’s decided that he doesn’t believe any of the news (police shootings/protests) is real.

 

[Everythingg]

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said the level at which these conspiracies are thought out, literally nothing can be taken as evidence against them cause they don't even use logic in the first place, they're just a continuous process of throwing shyt against the wall.

You claimed that the Illuminati were composed of "elite members of the Boy Scouts". But now you're claiming both that the people running the Boy Scouts are not actual Illuminati AND that the demonstrated agenda of the Boy Scouts isn't the illuminati agenda.

No I said the president is the frontman for shareholders. The shareholders behind the curtains are who I would call the elite not the guy they put on the TV to speak for them. But that’s why you ignored me saying that a company can hire a CEO or president but that wouldnt mean that the hired CEO or president is over the shareholders. Because you’re here with feminine energy just arguing to argue. Which leads to my point that people use extremists to gloss over what’s actually happening.

So forget the fact that you have no evidence for your wack theory, now you don't even have a point for the theory. Why even name-drop them if they're actually irrelevant to whatever the Illuminati is doing? Just because they're a large organization that had a controversy, so they're a useful tool in the slinging-shyt-against-the-wall arguments being made?

The problem is you ran in here with feminine energy looking to argue instead of seeing what the convo was actually about. Someone else brought up the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts not me. You come in and take it in some new direction that really makes no sense in the context of the convo that was being had. And you talk about me not naming sources (on what exactly? Lol) yet you bring up elite members on anti gay organizations but won’t name them... You gotta play these type of games on the extremists not me

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No I said the president is the frontman for shareholders. The shareholders behind the curtains are who I would call the elite not the guy they put on the TV to speak for them. But that’s why you ignored me saying that a company can hire a CEO or president but that wouldnt mean that the hired CEO or president is over the shareholders. Because you’re here with feminine energy just arguing to argue. Which leads to my point that people use extremists to gloss over what’s actually happening.

The boy scouts have shareholders? Seriously, what are you talking about?

The problem is you ran in here with feminine energy looking to argue instead of seeing what the convo was actually about. Someone else brought up the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts not me. You come in and take it in some new direction that really makes no sense in the context of the convo that was being had. And you talk about me not naming sources (on what exactly? Lol) yet you bring up elite members on anti gay organizations but won’t name them... You gotta play these type of games on the extremists not me

You claimed that the elite members of the boy scouts are "Illuminati".

You claimed that the Boy Scouts were working to "keep the black man down".

I don't care who brought them up, no one forced you to say that dumb shyt.

And you talk about me not naming sources (on what exactly? Lol) yet you bring up elite members on anti gay organizations but won’t name them...

What are you talking about? The Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts are both famous for having anti-gay policies. That's exactly who we were talking about. Who am I supposed to "name"?

 

[thekingsmen]

Regardless, the goal of these meetings is supposedly world domination and sacrifices to Satan. Kind of pointless to have a secret meeting and everyone outside of it knows the agenda.

If I know you're planning to shyt on my yard, I don't need to know the details of the plan for it to no longer be a secret.

1. No one knew outside the information except for insiders who exposed it and out of thousands of years, it was only in the late 1700's shyt was spilling. Even at that time only a few people were exposed to the leak. Only in modern times we got the full scope

2. This is another weak attempt to show you care about things in your life. The plan is clear but they know they have people who will deny the motives like yourself. I mean they already know 99% of the people who know this info ain't going to do shyt because they are rich and powerful.

 

[Everythingg]

What? My original point was that the secret Satanist meetings are bullshyt. And my second response to you is clarifying why it's bullshyt.

But you do believe there are secret meetings that happen where power groups come together to plot? You just don’t believe they’re satanists? Not really following...

You explained absolutely nothing. All you did was say what you believe and how you feel. But I'll let you explain now. Go ahead and explain and use sources.

And don't tell just me to Google it.

To me it would seem that the thing you disagree with is that they’re satanist. Which would be ridiculous. Not for disagreeing but harping on their spiritual belief system as a means for disagreeing. If that ain’t it and you’re saying that no power structures in society meet in secret to plot out plans to affect the direction the world moves in then lets just stop the convo there... I mean if that is your point then from there it would be laughable for me to stoop down to your level and have a conversation with you as if we’re eye to eye.

 

[acri1]

Damn OP I feel you, it sucks to say but my father went too far down the Rabbit hole too. It all started with the Coronavirus conspiracy videos, then Youtube algorithm got him caught up. Next thing you know he is at the point of no return, while I just sit there and nod

My mother is on the same bullshyt trying to tell me about 5G causing COVID

So far it seems to be pretty much impossible to pull people out when they go down that rabbit hole. Frustrating shyt.

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

But you do believe there are secret meetings that happen where power groups come together to plot? You just don’t believe they’re satanists? Not really following...



To me it would seem that the thing you disagree with is that they’re satanist. Which would be ridiculous. Not for disagreeing but harping on their spiritual belief system as a means for disagreeing. If that ain’t it and you’re saying that no power structures in society meet in secret to plot out plans to affect the direction the world moves in then lets just stop the convo there... I mean if that is your point then from there it would be laughable for me to stoop down to your level and have a conversation with you as if we’re eye to eye.

I don't believe they gather together to plot world events. The Satan part is what the conspiracy theorists claim is the ultimate reason behind all of this. We can leave it out if you want. Now explain.

 

[23Barrettcity]

No it’s just that I have to hold your hand thru things that go past a shallow level of understanding. Donald Trump is not a member of the elite. Even when president. Neither was Barack. George bush etc... It’s just like a company. You can hire a CEO or president to run the company on a day to day basis but the company still belongs to the shareholders..




You’re saying that “we” (meaning you and whoever you adjoin yourself with) sell shyt to both sides then turn around and question how people can play both sides? I mean I’m not following the logic. And it ain’t about money but a specific goal they want accomplished by putting both sides against each other. Reducing it to “money” is glossing over all the nuances that really come with war. But even running with the point you think you’re making, surely you’re not saying there is an anti gay agenda being pushed in mainstream society? Because if you are, then again I’m not following the logic. That’s without mentioning that havent even named any of these people you claim are playing the anti gay agenda role ..

Oh and your empty words at people’s intelligence or lack thereof hold no weight when you can’t counteract what’s being said. Please try to do better next time

Are you trolling ? Or are you serious if you are you need to talk to someone Breh

 

[KidJSoul]

Op, if you want to get your wife out of it, what you need to do is validate her, then slowly pull her away once she trusts you.

Be like "yeah babe, 9/11 was definitely fishy".

Be calm about it.

Then after some weeks start pointing out how weird some fringe theories are, and then point out how some might be useless to pull off. Thats how you pull her back out.

What make conspiracy theories powerful is that, well, the normal ones of them are based on truths. Its not just based on random shyt.

Rich people/government people DO do sketchy shyt. Look at how many of those billionaires and senators concealed Coronavirus info so they could sell their stock. Look at what the CIA has done in 3rd world countries. Look at how many child actors have talked about pedophilia in Hollywood.

Add that to how events 9/11 where the government is conveniently "incompetent" always seem to accomplish exactly what they want, and you can't blame some conspiracy theorists

 

[Everythingg]

The boy scouts have shareholders? Seriously, what are you talking about?

How about this YOU create a thread discussing the Boy Scouts and I can explain how they have people behind the scenes that call the shots which is why the man you claim is an elite member was SELECTED to that position. The people who selected him are most likely tied to what people would refer to as the Illuminati. Just as the elite members of the Catholic Church are most likely tied to the Illuminati. If you want to post pics and ask about specific people then create a thread for it. I’ll pop up


The original point though? Was at the top of these organizations are people who are tied to what people would call the Illuminati. Which wasn’t even the point the poster was on either

You claimed that the elite members of the boy scouts are "Illuminati".

You claimed that the Boy Scouts were working to "keep the black man down".

I don't care who brought them up, no one forced you to say that dumb shyt.

More feminine argumentative energy so imma just rewind. Yes it’s a system wide initiative to keep the black man down. If the black man was to start to separate and rise these forces would be the same ones coming out to keep him down. Heck look at the insurrection and how cacs of all walks of life came out. That’s how it is when it comes to the black mans oppression.

You trying to short change that into “the Boy Scouts are oppressing black people” just shows your feminine spirit. You’re just coming to argue like a female.

 

[EndDomination]

John D. Rockefeller established the modern medicine institutions who used homeopathy regularly.

Just because institutions Rockefeller founded in the early 1900s used homeopathy in some treatments doesn't mean homeopathy has any validity.

 

[EndDomination]

Untrue.

You've spent 9 years on this site arguing - I'm not attempting to change your mind - I'd imagine that's a pretty fruitless endeavor.

 

[thekingsmen]

I don't believe they gather together to plot world events. The Satan part is what the conspiracy theorists claim is the ultimate reason behind all of this. We can leave it out if you want. Now explain.

So what do these people do sit around talking about how rich they are or how they shyt don't stink. How does leader of any country present future endeavours to his country if it was never discussed?

 

[Everythingg]

I don't believe they gather together to plot world events.

THEY? Who is “they”? Are you saying there is not ANY group in the world that comes together to plot out plans they can partake in to affect the direction the world goes in? Just trying to see if this is really what you’re saying...