New evidence for a '5th force' of nature

[TheAnointedOne]

@Rhakim

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah, there's nothing essential that insists we must have only 4 forces of nature. In fact we don't even have a unified theory that explains how all those forces fit together. So a 5th force would be a huge new discovery but doesn't really violate anything that we are confident about.

Of course, looking at small fluctuations in miniscule particles in high-energy experiments can always be subject to errors of measurement, calculation, or theory, so much more work has to be done.

 

[humminbird]

All right

 

[NoGutsNoGLory]

Yeah, there's nothing essential that insists we must have only 4 forces of nature. In fact we don't even have a unified theory that explains how all those forces fit together. So a 5th force would be a huge new discovery but doesn't really violate anything that we are confident about.

Of course, looking at small fluctuations in miniscule particles in high-energy experiments can always be subject to errors of measurement, calculation, or theory, so much more work has to be done.

Its like I understand each word but I have no fukking idea what you just said,.

 

[cobra]

4 forces of nature


This ain’t naruto

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

So a 5th force would be a huge new discovery but doesn't really violate anything that we are confident about.

Say what now?
It changes everything...
It's existence refutes the standard model
The standard model explains the basic building blocks of everything, it being refuted changes physics.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Say what now?
It changes everything...
It's existence refutes the standard model
The standard model explains the basic building blocks of everything, it being refuted changes physics.

The standard model has never been a complete theory, it's always been forced to leave things out. There are already something like a dozen major issues in physics that can't be explained by the Standard Model and prove it is inaccurate or incomplete, this merely adds another one. They will either shift the Standard Model to incorporate the new information (once they actually figure out what's going on), or they'll just let the discrepancy hang like they've been forced to let the other discrepancies hang until they get a better idea of what's going on with all the shyt that doesn't fit.

Not saying it wouldn't be a big deal, but it's not like, say, discovering something moving at faster than the speed of light.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Its like I understand each word but I have no fukking idea what you just said,.

Sure, I'll rephrase.

We have four known forces: Gravity, Electromagnetic, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force.

Physicists don't even have a theory for the universe that satisfactorily explains all four of those forces. The best model they have manages to figure out how Electromagnetic, Strong Nuclear Force, and Weak Nuclear Force fit together, but they haven't figured out how to incorporate gravity into the theory.

So since they haven't even figured out how the 4 known forces work together yet, I don't see finding a 5th force as breaking anything that's already known. In fact, it's possible that this knowledge of the 5th force, if it really exists, will actually help scientists finally figure out how the other 4 work together.



However, the experiments they're using to reveal this 5th force are done by running insanely tiny particles at insanely high energies and then measuring very small fluctuations in the movement of the particles. Lots of mistakes can be made and often are made - sometimes the measurement devices don't work right, sometimes the complex calculations are done wrong, and sometimes the theories they're using to derive the calculations are faulty. So there will be a ton of cross-checking to do before we can even know for sure that they've found something remarkable.

 

[010101]

only observation & proof*

 

[Mensch Fontana]

There's more than 5

 

[Savvir]

There's more than 5

 

[Pseudonym]

And we once thought the Earth was the center of our solar system...

New findings will render this info laugh worthy in 50 years


You think kids are actually getting smarter because they have to learn ‘more’ like the history and wrongs of sciences throughout the years plus the current correct info?




I saved on like 3 decades of information being ::flabby::

 

[King]

Its like I understand each word but I have no fukking idea what you just said,.

He essentially saying not to overanalyze shyt because it don’t really matter to most people breh

 

[Pseudonym]

Its like I understand each word but I have no fukking idea what you just said,.

I had to read it , then reread it slower, then read it word.for.word. and I still


I’ve always hated non astronomical physics...