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This is the official discussion thread for The Autobiography of Malcolm X.

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Discussion Schedule

Sunday 8/14
Introduction
Chapter 1: Nightmare
Chapter 2: Mascot
Chapter 3: Homeboy

Saturday 8/20
Chapter 4: Laura
Chapter 5: Harlemite
Chapter 6: Detroit Red

Saturday 8/27
Chapter 7: Hustler
Chapter 8: Trapped
Chapter 9: Caught

Saturday 9/3
Chapter 10: Satan
Chapter 11: Saved
Chapter 12: Savior

Saturday 9/10
Chapter 13: Minister Malcolm X
Chapter 14: Black Muslims
Chapter 15: Icarus

Saturday 9/17
Chapter 16: Out
Chapter 17: Mecca

Saturday 9/14
Chapter 18: El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz
Chapter 19: 1965
Epilogues

Saturday 10/1
Final Thoughts​
 

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I was writing notes and copying good quotes on my phone as I was reading

Chapter 1



  • So his dad was kind of a hypocrite, huh? He went out of his way to marry the whitest looking black woman he could find and then favored his lightest skinned kid. To make things worse, he was a Christian preacher but he was beating his family members all the time
  • It’s a shame how life kept beating down on his mom until she finally had a breakdown. I thought at first that the Welfare people were specifically harassing their family because of who Malcom’s dad was, but now I’m thinking that they legitimately didn’t see black people as people and this idea of the state owning their family really was legal modern slavery like he was saying
  • “Later on in life, if I were continuously losing in any gambling situation, I would watch very closely. It’s like the Negro in America seeing the white man win all the time. He’s a professional gambler; he has all the cards and the odds stacked on his side, and he has always dealt to our people from the bottom of the deck.” I wonder if this will ever change
  • “All I had done was to improve on their strategy, and it was the beginning of a very important lesson in life—that anytime you find someone more successful than you are, especially when you’re both engaged in the same business—you know they’re doing something that you aren’t.” This is great life advice. It should be common sense but it’s something that I don’t really think about


Chapter 2

  • “I don’t care how nice one is to you; the thing you must always remember is that almost never does he really see you as he sees himself, as he sees his own kind.” This is so true :francis:
  • It’s interesting how one visit to a big city was enough for him to start to realize how ridiculous it was that he had to act like an Uncle Tom back in his hometown. It looks like this was the initial spark that lead to him wanting to be with his own people more.
  • Things really were a lot different back in the day. He had the best grades in the class but his teacher still told him that he needed to “be realistic” and that there was no way a black man could become a lawyer. I’m glad that he realized that he was smarter than all those white kids and stopped taking shyt from them after that
  • It’s hilarious that the “upper class” black people in Boston thought they were so much better than the regular black people even though they were still just getting the crumbs that the white people allowed them to have. I guess some people are still like that now though


Chapter 3

  • “And my black brethren today may hate me for saying it, but a lot of black girls nearly got run over by some of those Negro males scrambling to get at those white women; you would have thought God had lowered some of his angels.” Even back then brehs were going crazy for PAWGs :pachaha:
  • The part about Malcolm feeling like his head was on fire from the conk and then grinning 5 minutes later because he looked more white was wild to me. It’s crazy that even now people still perm their hair. But I think that if he was still alive now he’d be happy to see so many people embracing their natural hair these days
 
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I would like to preface my remarks by saying that we all come from varying backgrounds that influence our upbringing and perspectives. One of the reasons I was excited about reading Malcolm was that I would gain insight into one of the greatest black leaders of the 20th century, a leader, I confess, was not talked about as much as other black leaders, in my household, or among my family or their friends. I've always thought this was odd - being one of the greatest black leaders, but not given much thought, especially from a family that revered and held sacred our people and its history. There is an obvious reason for this that I will get into later but I would like to state that I'm coming to this discussion with certain biases that I'm doing the work to deconstruct and would appreciate helpful feedback in the areas that I'm deficient.

With that said, there are two things that stood out to me the most reading through the first three chapters. The first is language and tone. The second was Malcolm's contempt for the black bourgeoisie.

With respect to language and tone, I was surprised at the use of certain phrases that he used. Specifically prefacing many things with "so called", for instance "so called white man" or "so called Negroes". Additionally, I was surprised at his general use of "white man".....the white man this, the white man that. My surprise comes from the fact that I had come to associate the use and tone of language like this with "hoteps" and "militants" who for one reason or another had come to be associated by people from my background as intellectually inferior. I know they mean well, but growing up, every time I've heard the phrase "so called.." it was always followed by a barrage of, what to my ears, was pseudo-knowledge or conspiracy, two things I have been conditioned to believe that people with less intellect like to play around with. Speaking of conditioning, when I hear language like this, I have an automatic response of dismissing it. So, I for one was surprised to hear Malcolm talk in this manner. What I realize now, or at least, what has become apparent, is that Malcolm, or maybe, the NOI, is where these "hoteps" and "militants" get it from. So I had a hard time reading through these chapters because my jerk reaction was to put the book down because I have been condition to believe that I'm about to be kicked some pseudo-science or pseudo knowledge. I even looked up some speeches of Malcolm on Youtube to see if he really talked in this manner and to my surprise, he did. And I couldn't even get through the speeches because I have been conditioned to have this sort of visceral reaction to it. In my mind, it's like how can one of the most revered black orators talk like this? James Baldwin was also militant but he had a way with words, a literary genius. And he did not have high formal education, like a Dubois. His background was very much like Malcolm's. And yet, James Baldwin, a man of many and beautiful words, was enthralled with Malcolm, as well as other writers, artist, and poets at the time. I have always known this from reading Baldwin and other black writers, so their fascination with Malcolm has urged me to keep going and find out why. So the use of the language used by Malcolm is something I need to deconstruct. Also, I'm aware I'm using "hotep" and "militant" in a very negative manner. I recognize from the jump, that this is a manifestation of elitism in my own life and that it's something I need to work on.

Speaking on the topic of elitism, Malcolm's contempt for the "so called" :lolbron: black bourgeoisie also stood out.

One of the themes that I kept at the forefront of my mind while reading the first three chapters was "origins". I was specifically looking for what in his childhood development influenced his mode of thinking in adulthood. It became obvious that Malcolm had a peculiar sort of contempt for the black bourgeoisie class but in reading the first three chapters, I found the explanations for his contempt lacking and to be frank, hypocritical.

For one, his father was a minister. And ministers were de facto bourgeoisie at that time when most black people were laborers and sharecroppers. His father worked hard and although they struggled, his father had enough resources to build their own home and cultivate their own food outside of Lansing, when most black people in the urban north were living in tenement housing and on relief. Blacks in the rural north, rented homes or lived in shanties. So Malcolm was privileged in a way that he did not recognize comparative to most blacks.

Secondly, Malcolm talks about a run-in at the United Nations that he has with, as he described, "complacent, misguided so-called "middle class" Negroes - the typical status symbol-oriented, integration seeking type of Negroes" from his hometown. This is a lot to unpack. Malcolm's father, a minister, a member of the bourgeoisie, whether he recognized that fact or not, was, as he described, a "crusading and militant" member of Marcus Garvey's UNIA, that, as we all know, was a black nationalist organization seeking to set up its own black independent state in Africa. Nevermind the fact that it is not to be missed, that the members of the local UNIA organizations, were Christian members of his father's church network, while Malcolm would go on to disparage black Christians as being docile and subservient under the "white man's religion", which is another post I'm going to do altogether.

I'm just a bit disappointed that Malcolm didn't see nuance.

He admitted that his own sister, Ella, was a "society" type. Who lived up on the Hill with the rest of the "Boston 400". And yet, "she was the first really proud black woman I had ever seen in my life. She was plainly proud of her very dark skin. This was unheard of among Negroes in those days, especially in Lansing." "The way she sat, moved, talked, did everything, bespoke somebody who did and got exactly what she wanted." "She had come north with nothing, and she worked and saved and had invested in property that she built up in value, and then she started sending money to Georgia for another sister, brother, cousin, niece or nephew, to come north to Boston." - This is the story of the black bourgeoisie and yet he has reduced them all to "complacent, misguided, integration seeking" all the while his sister and the rest of the "Boston Black 400" was living in Roxbury, the all-black section of Boston, comparable to Harlem.

Imagine if he had exposure to this "proud blackness" earlier in his childhood.

His reductionist take on black middle class professionals is also odd considering his recollection of how his favorite teacher, Mr. Ostrowski, advised him away from being a lawyer, of which, Malcolm admitted, that even he was surprised that he admitted. Malcolm states "Lansing certainly had no Negro lawyers - or doctors either - in those days, to hold up an image I might have aspired to."

So on one hand, he despises them, yet admits there is a need for them as an image the black masses can aspire towards.

I don't get it. Am I missing something?

There is a lot lacking in how he came to have contempt for the black bourgeoisie and black Christians of his childhood, enough that would influence the way he thinks about them later in life. This gives me the initial thought that maybe much of it was brainwashing from the NOI?

This is a long post so I'm going to stop here but these were my initial thoughts. I'll break down my comments about each chapter in another post.
 

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I would like to preface my remarks by saying that we all come from varying backgrounds that influence our upbringing and perspectives. One of the reasons I was excited about reading Malcolm was that I would gain insight into one of the greatest black leaders of the 20th century, a leader, I confess, was not talked about as much as other black leaders, in my household, or among my family or their friends. I've always thought this was odd - being one of the greatest black leaders, but not given much thought, especially from a family that revered and held sacred our people and its history. There is an obvious reason for this that I will get into later but I would like to state that I'm coming to this discussion with certain biases that I'm doing the work to deconstruct and would appreciate helpful feedback in the areas that I'm deficient.

With that said, there are two things that stood out to me the most reading through the first three chapters. The first is language and tone. The second was Malcolm's contempt for the black bourgeoisie.

With respect to language and tone, I was surprised at the use of certain phrases that he used. Specifically prefacing many things with "so called", for instance "so called white man" or "so called Negroes". Additionally, I was surprised at his general use of "white man".....the white man this, the white man that. My surprise comes from the fact that I had come to associate the use and tone of language like this with "hoteps" and "militants" who for one reason or another had come to be associated by people from my background as intellectually inferior. I know they mean well, but growing up, every time I've heard the phrase "so called.." it was always followed by a barrage of, what to my ears, was pseudo-knowledge or conspiracy, two things I have been conditioned to believe that people with less intellect like to play around with. Speaking of conditioning, when I hear language like this, I have an automatic response of dismissing it. So, I for one was surprised to hear Malcolm talk in this manner. What I realize now, or at least, what has become apparent, is that Malcolm, or maybe, the NOI, is where these "hoteps" and "militants" get it from. So I had a hard time reading through these chapters because my jerk reaction was to put the book down because I have been condition to believe that I'm about to be kicked some pseudo-science or pseudo knowledge. I even looked up some speeches of Malcolm on Youtube to see if he really talked in this manner and to my surprise, he did. And I couldn't even get through the speeches because I have been conditioned to have this sort of visceral reaction to it. In my mind, it's like how can one of the most revered black orators talk like this? James Baldwin was also militant but he had a way with words, a literary genius. And he did not have high formal education, like a Dubois. His background was very much like Malcolm's. And yet, James Baldwin, a man of many and beautiful words, was enthralled with Malcolm, as well as other writers, artist, and poets at the time. I have always known this from reading Baldwin and other black writers, so their fascination with Malcolm has urged me to keep going and find out why. So the use of the language used by Malcolm is something I need to deconstruct. Also, I'm aware I'm using "hotep" and "militant" in a very negative manner. I recognize from the jump, that this is a manifestation of elitism in my own life and that it's something I need to work on.

Speaking on the topic of elitism, Malcolm's contempt for the "so called" :lolbron: black bourgeoisie also stood out.

One of the themes that I kept at the forefront of my mind while reading the first three chapters was "origins". I was specifically looking for what in his childhood development influenced his mode of thinking in adulthood. It became obvious that Malcolm had a peculiar sort of contempt for the black bourgeoisie class but in reading the first three chapters, I found the explanations for his contempt lacking and to be frank, hypocritical.

For one, his father was a minister. And ministers were de facto bourgeoisie at that time when most black people were laborers and sharecroppers. His father worked hard and although they struggled, his father had enough resources to build their own home and cultivate their own food outside of Lansing, when most black people in the urban north were living in tenement housing and on relief. Blacks in the rural north, rented homes or lived in shanties. So Malcolm was privileged in a way that he did not recognize comparative to most blacks.

Secondly, Malcolm talks about a run-in at the United Nations that he has with, as he described, "complacent, misguided so-called "middle class" Negroes - the typical status symbol-oriented, integration seeking type of Negroes" from his hometown. This is a lot to unpack. Malcolm's father, a minister, a member of the bourgeoisie, whether he recognized that fact or not, was, as he described, a "crusading and militant" member of Marcus Garvey's UNIA, that, as we all know, was a black nationalist organization seeking to set up its own black independent state in Africa. Nevermind the fact that it is not to be missed, that the members of the local UNIA organizations, were Christian members of his father's church network, while Malcolm would go on to disparage black Christians as being docile and subservient under the "white man's religion", which is another post I'm going to do altogether.

I'm just a bit disappointed that Malcolm didn't see nuance.

He admitted that his own sister, Ella, was a "society" type. Who lived up on the Hill with the rest of the "Boston 400". And yet, "she was the first really proud black woman I had ever seen in my life. She was plainly proud of her very dark skin. This was unheard of among Negroes in those days, especially in Lansing." "The way she sat, moved, talked, did everything, bespoke somebody who did and got exactly what she wanted." "She had come north with nothing, and she worked and saved and had invested in property that she built up in value, and then she started sending money to Georgia for another sister, brother, cousin, niece or nephew, to come north to Boston." - This is the story of the black bourgeoisie and yet he has reduced them all to "complacent, misguided, integration seeking" all the while his sister and the rest of the "Boston Black 400" was living in Roxbury, the all-black section of Boston, comparable to Harlem.

Imagine if he had exposure to this "proud blackness" earlier in his childhood.

His reductionist take on black middle class professionals is also odd considering his recollection of how his favorite teacher, Mr. Ostrowski, advised him away from being a lawyer, of which, Malcolm admitted, that even he was surprised that he admitted. Malcolm states "Lansing certainly had no Negro lawyers - or doctors either - in those days, to hold up an image I might have aspired to."

So on one hand, he despises them, yet admits there is a need for them as an image the black masses can aspire towards.

I don't get it. Am I missing something?

There is a lot lacking in how he came to have contempt for the black bourgeoisie and black Christians of his childhood, enough that would influence the way he thinks about them later in life. This gives me the initial thought that maybe much of it was brainwashing from the NOI?

This is a long post so I'm going to stop here but these were my initial thoughts. I'll break down my comments about each chapter in another post.
Maybe he’ll talk about it more later in the book but so far it seems that he holds them in contempt because they’re willing to go much farther to get the approval of white people than the lower class black people were. These upper class folks were saying that they worked in banking if they were a janitor at a bank and kissing white people’s asses as much as possible to get ahead.

They acted like they were far superior to the rest of their race even though they were still treated like shyt and called the n word a million times a day. It’s understandable that he would see them as ridiculous because they were delusional about just how well off they really were. Sure there were probably some level headed people like his sister but if most of the upper class black people he interacted with were stuck up snobs then he had a right to dislike them.

I barely knew anything about him before I started reading this and I was a little surprised too that he spoke in such a simple way, but for me personally I see that as a good thing. It makes him relatable. If he used more flowery language or tried to sound more “dignified” or whatever then he would come across as less genuine. Even with the simple language, the words still feel powerful so far
 

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James Baldwin was also militant but he had a way with words, a literary genius. And he did not have high formal education, like a Dubois. His background was very much like Malcolm's. And yet, James Baldwin, a man of many and beautiful words, was enthralled with Malcolm, as well as other writers, artist, and poets at the time. I have always known this from reading Baldwin and other black writers, so their fascination with Malcolm has urged me to keep going and find out why. So the use of the language used by Malcolm is something I need to deconstruct.
This was James Baldwin's opinion on Elijah Muhammad:

Elijah Muhammad has been able to do what generations of welfare workers and committees and resolutions and reports and housing projects and playgrounds have failed to do: to heal and redeem drunkards and junkies, to convert people who have come out of prison and to keep them out, to make men chaste and women virtuous, and to invest both the male and the female with a pride and a serenity that hang about them like an unfailing light. He has done all these things, which our Christian church has spectacularly failed to do.

—James Baldwin, The Fire Next Time

Always kind of funny when Baldwin is juxtaposed with the Nation of Islam in the manner in which you are doing. This quote from Baldwin is on the back of every paperback edition of the NOI's most famous and most foundational book.
I don't get it. Am I missing something?

There is a lot lacking in how he came to have contempt for the black bourgeoisie and black Christians of his childhood, enough that would influence the way he thinks about them later in life. This gives me the initial thought that maybe much of it was brainwashing from the NOI?
What's missing is you don't know much about the Nation of Islam. And you using the term "brainwashing" leads me to believe that you have separated Malcolm from the NOI under the pretext that Malcolm was good and the Nation was bad. If that is the case, I don't see how you will be able to reconcile who Malcolm was as a person with any preconceived ideas you may have.
 

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I would like to preface my remarks by saying that we all come from varying backgrounds that influence our upbringing and perspectives. One of the reasons I was excited about reading Malcolm was that I would gain insight into one of the greatest black leaders of the 20th century, a leader, I confess, was not talked about as much as other black leaders, in my household, or among my family or their friends. I've always thought this was odd - being one of the greatest black leaders, but not given much thought, especially from a family that revered and held sacred our people and its history. There is an obvious reason for this that I will get into later but I would like to state that I'm coming to this discussion with certain biases that I'm doing the work to deconstruct and would appreciate helpful feedback in the areas that I'm deficient.

With that said, there are two things that stood out to me the most reading through the first three chapters. The first is language and tone. The second was Malcolm's contempt for the black bourgeoisie.

With respect to language and tone, I was surprised at the use of certain phrases that he used. Specifically prefacing many things with "so called", for instance "so called white man" or "so called Negroes". Additionally, I was surprised at his general use of "white man".....the white man this, the white man that. My surprise comes from the fact that I had come to associate the use and tone of language like this with "hoteps" and "militants" who for one reason or another had come to be associated by people from my background as intellectually inferior. I know they mean well, but growing up, every time I've heard the phrase "so called.." it was always followed by a barrage of, what to my ears, was pseudo-knowledge or conspiracy, two things I have been conditioned to believe that people with less intellect like to play around with. Speaking of conditioning, when I hear language like this, I have an automatic response of dismissing it. So, I for one was surprised to hear Malcolm talk in this manner. What I realize now, or at least, what has become apparent, is that Malcolm, or maybe, the NOI, is where these "hoteps" and "militants" get it from. So I had a hard time reading through these chapters because my jerk reaction was to put the book down because I have been condition to believe that I'm about to be kicked some pseudo-science or pseudo knowledge. I even looked up some speeches of Malcolm on Youtube to see if he really talked in this manner and to my surprise, he did. And I couldn't even get through the speeches because I have been conditioned to have this sort of visceral reaction to it. In my mind, it's like how can one of the most revered black orators talk like this? James Baldwin was also militant but he had a way with words, a literary genius. And he did not have high formal education, like a Dubois. His background was very much like Malcolm's. And yet, James Baldwin, a man of many and beautiful words, was enthralled with Malcolm, as well as other writers, artist, and poets at the time. I have always known this from reading Baldwin and other black writers, so their fascination with Malcolm has urged me to keep going and find out why. So the use of the language used by Malcolm is something I need to deconstruct. Also, I'm aware I'm using "hotep" and "militant" in a very negative manner. I recognize from the jump, that this is a manifestation of elitism in my own life and that it's something I need to work on.

Speaking on the topic of elitism, Malcolm's contempt for the "so called" :lolbron: black bourgeoisie also stood out.

One of the themes that I kept at the forefront of my mind while reading the first three chapters was "origins". I was specifically looking for what in his childhood development influenced his mode of thinking in adulthood. It became obvious that Malcolm had a peculiar sort of contempt for the black bourgeoisie class but in reading the first three chapters, I found the explanations for his contempt lacking and to be frank, hypocritical.

For one, his father was a minister. And ministers were de facto bourgeoisie at that time when most black people were laborers and sharecroppers. His father worked hard and although they struggled, his father had enough resources to build their own home and cultivate their own food outside of Lansing, when most black people in the urban north were living in tenement housing and on relief. Blacks in the rural north, rented homes or lived in shanties. So Malcolm was privileged in a way that he did not recognize comparative to most blacks.

Secondly, Malcolm talks about a run-in at the United Nations that he has with, as he described, "complacent, misguided so-called "middle class" Negroes - the typical status symbol-oriented, integration seeking type of Negroes" from his hometown. This is a lot to unpack. Malcolm's father, a minister, a member of the bourgeoisie, whether he recognized that fact or not, was, as he described, a "crusading and militant" member of Marcus Garvey's UNIA, that, as we all know, was a black nationalist organization seeking to set up its own black independent state in Africa. Nevermind the fact that it is not to be missed, that the members of the local UNIA organizations, were Christian members of his father's church network, while Malcolm would go on to disparage black Christians as being docile and subservient under the "white man's religion", which is another post I'm going to do altogether.

I'm just a bit disappointed that Malcolm didn't see nuance.

He admitted that his own sister, Ella, was a "society" type. Who lived up on the Hill with the rest of the "Boston 400". And yet, "she was the first really proud black woman I had ever seen in my life. She was plainly proud of her very dark skin. This was unheard of among Negroes in those days, especially in Lansing." "The way she sat, moved, talked, did everything, bespoke somebody who did and got exactly what she wanted." "She had come north with nothing, and she worked and saved and had invested in property that she built up in value, and then she started sending money to Georgia for another sister, brother, cousin, niece or nephew, to come north to Boston." - This is the story of the black bourgeoisie and yet he has reduced them all to "complacent, misguided, integration seeking" all the while his sister and the rest of the "Boston Black 400" was living in Roxbury, the all-black section of Boston, comparable to Harlem.

Imagine if he had exposure to this "proud blackness" earlier in his childhood.

His reductionist take on black middle class professionals is also odd considering his recollection of how his favorite teacher, Mr. Ostrowski, advised him away from being a lawyer, of which, Malcolm admitted, that even he was surprised that he admitted. Malcolm states "Lansing certainly had no Negro lawyers - or doctors either - in those days, to hold up an image I might have aspired to."

So on one hand, he despises them, yet admits there is a need for them as an image the black masses can aspire towards.

I don't get it. Am I missing something?

There is a lot lacking in how he came to have contempt for the black bourgeoisie and black Christians of his childhood, enough that would influence the way he thinks about them later in life. This gives me the initial thought that maybe much of it was brainwashing from the NOI?

This is a long post so I'm going to stop here but these were my initial thoughts. I'll break down my comments about each chapter in another post.

Malcolm and the noi's greatest critics were the black bougiesose who fought and strove for assimilation with and imitation of the white man. He knew integration without proper reparations and reprogramming of black people would lead to the disaster we see today. Black people become professionals and get a well paid job and think they made it when they are only a few Supreme Court decisions away from being back in jim crow living in a black shanty town.
 
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in one of the later chapters I remember reading that Malcolm told Alex Haley that "Black people created a great organization and nigras messed it up" in reference to the N.O.I

that line always stuck with me, and i think it was the only time Malcolm (when he was not the detroit red version) used the N word with the hard R in the entire book.

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The NOI was challenging the terms assigned to the racial groups in America by the people who ran the legal and social systems . Same way they challenged the "imposed" religion, rites, and diets from the same people. Rejecting their labels and their ways, and making a deliberate break from them. Conscious decision to use "so called" to reinforce that they were undermining them.
The new names given to members, rejecting the surname of slaveowner, was the ultimate example of rejecting the mainstream system.

Hoteps are, by definition and default, posers. More interested in looking the part and being perceived a certain way, than in actually being that person. They repeat the words of others instead of forming their own opinions. Have a set vocabulary of terms that they've lifted from actual activists that is supposed bolster their image. You famously called. out a Hotep member who hadn't read The Isis Papers, but was repeating shyt he heard from a YTer. He folded up his tent when you asked him questions about the text.
Clowns of that cloth are far from what Malcolm was doing.







Malcolm said that his rejection of the Middle Class in Boston area was due to their airs, pretentiousness and classism. Older families looked down on the new comers. Southern migrants and Caribbean immigrants. He said that the newcomers had drive and hustle, and due to their responsibilities were more concerned with owning businesses, multi family homes to rent out, than status. His sister Ella's self made success, and sending the ladder down for others was an example of that. Ella's ex husband was an Islander, I believe.
We had a brief convo years ago about a famous West Indian descent figure from that area, who spoke about the open discrimination against Black immigrants in that same time. He couched those comments by saying that the same people were rejecting/looking down on their own people who were from the South.
Malcolm had experienced downward social movement in his early life in Michigan , so he knew what it was like to be looked down on. He sensed that from the 400. In fact the term 400 was probably first used as the Great Migration began, to distinguish the old families from the new comers.
 
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And you using the term "brainwashing" leads me to believe that you have separated Malcolm from the NOI under the pretext that Malcolm was good and the Nation was bad.

That's not exactly what I was doing. I actually have high esteem of the Nation as an organization even though, in my opinion, they can have some problematic beliefs.
 

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Permission to speak, sir?



The NOI was challenging the terms assigned to the racial groups in America by the people who ran the legal and social systems of America. Same way they challenged the "imposed" religion, rites, and diets from the same people. Rejecting their labels and their ways, and making a deliberate break from them. Conscious decision to use "so called" to reinforce that they were undermining them.
The new names given to members, rejecting the surname of slaveowner, was the ultimate example of rejecting the mainstream system.

Hoteps are, by definition and default, posers. More interested in looking the part and being perceived a certain way, than in actually being that person. They repeat the words of others instead of forming their own opinions. Have a set vocabulary of terms that they've lifted from actual activists that is supposed bolster their image. You famously called. out a Hotep member who hadn't read The Isis Papers, but was repeating shyt he heard from a YTer. He folded up his tent when you asked him questions about the text.
Clowns of that cloth are far from what Malcolm was doing.







Malcolm said that his rejection of the Middle Class in Boston area was due to their airs, pretentiousness and classism. Older families looked down on the new comers. Southern migrants and Caribbean immigrants. He said that the newcomers had drive and hustle, and due to their responsibilities were more concerned with owning businesses, multi family homes to rent out, than status. His sister Ella's self made success, and sending the ladder down for others was an example of that. Ella's ex husband was an Islander, I believe.
We had a brief convo years ago about a famous West Indian descent figure from that area, who spoke about the open discrimination against Black immigrants in that same time. He couched those comments by saying that the same people were rejecting/looking down on their own people who were from the South.
Malcolm had experienced downward social movement in his early life in Michigan , so he knew what it was like to be looked down on. He sensed that from the 400. In fact the term 400 was probably first used as the Great Migration began, to distinguish the old families from the new comers.


Thanks for the context. I'll have a follow-up response later.
 

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I was writing notes and copying good quotes on my phone as I was reading

Chapter 1



  • So his dad was kind of a hypocrite, huh? He went out of his way to marry the whitest looking black woman he could find and then favored his lightest skinned kid. To make things worse, he was a Christian preacher but he was beating his family members all the time
  • It’s a shame how life kept beating down on his mom until she finally had a breakdown. I thought at first that the Welfare people were specifically harassing their family because of who Malcom’s dad was, but now I’m thinking that they legitimately didn’t see black people as people and this idea of the state owning their family really was legal modern slavery like he was saying
  • “Later on in life, if I were continuously losing in any gambling situation, I would watch very closely. It’s like the Negro in America seeing the white man win all the time. He’s a professional gambler; he has all the cards and the odds stacked on his side, and he has always dealt to our people from the bottom of the deck.” I wonder if this will ever change
  • “All I had done was to improve on their strategy, and it was the beginning of a very important lesson in life—that anytime you find someone more successful than you are, especially when you’re both engaged in the same business—you know they’re doing something that you aren’t.” This is great life advice. It should be common sense but it’s something that I don’t really think about


Chapter 2

  • “I don’t care how nice one is to you; the thing you must always remember is that almost never does he really see you as he sees himself, as he sees his own kind.” This is so true :francis:
  • It’s interesting how one visit to a big city was enough for him to start to realize how ridiculous it was that he had to act like an Uncle Tom back in his hometown. It looks like this was the initial spark that lead to him wanting to be with his own people more.
  • Things really were a lot different back in the day. He had the best grades in the class but his teacher still told him that he needed to “be realistic” and that there was no way a black man could become a lawyer. I’m glad that he realized that he was smarter than all those white kids and stopped taking shyt from them after that
  • It’s hilarious that the “upper class” black people in Boston thought they were so much better than the regular black people even though they were still just getting the crumbs that the white people allowed them to have. I guess some people are still like that now though


Chapter 3

  • “And my black brethren today may hate me for saying it, but a lot of black girls nearly got run over by some of those Negro males scrambling to get at those white women; you would have thought God had lowered some of his angels.” Even back then brehs were going crazy for PAWGs :pachaha:
  • The part about Malcolm feeling like his head was on fire from the conk and then grinning 5 minutes later because he looked more white was wild to me. It’s crazy that even now people still perm their hair. But I think that if he was still alive now he’d be happy to see so many people embracing their natural hair these days
I think back then the PAWG thing was worse the lust was real. These orgs that rose in the 20th century lessened a lot of self hating attitudes.
I would like to preface my remarks by saying that we all come from varying backgrounds that influence our upbringing and perspectives. One of the reasons I was excited about reading Malcolm was that I would gain insight into one of the greatest black leaders of the 20th century, a leader, I confess, was not talked about as much as other black leaders, in my household, or among my family or their friends. I've always thought this was odd - being one of the greatest black leaders, but not given much thought, especially from a family that revered and held sacred our people and its history. There is an obvious reason for this that I will get into later but I would like to state that I'm coming to this discussion with certain biases that I'm doing the work to deconstruct and would appreciate helpful feedback in the areas that I'm deficient.

With that said, there are two things that stood out to me the most reading through the first three chapters. The first is language and tone. The second was Malcolm's contempt for the black bourgeoisie.

With respect to language and tone, I was surprised at the use of certain phrases that he used. Specifically prefacing many things with "so called", for instance "so called white man" or "so called Negroes". Additionally, I was surprised at his general use of "white man".....the white man this, the white man that. My surprise comes from the fact that I had come to associate the use and tone of language like this with "hoteps" and "militants" who for one reason or another had come to be associated by people from my background as intellectually inferior. I know they mean well, but growing up, every time I've heard the phrase "so called.." it was always followed by a barrage of, what to my ears, was pseudo-knowledge or conspiracy, two things I have been conditioned to believe that people with less intellect like to play around with. Speaking of conditioning, when I hear language like this, I have an automatic response of dismissing it. So, I for one was surprised to hear Malcolm talk in this manner. What I realize now, or at least, what has become apparent, is that Malcolm, or maybe, the NOI, is where these "hoteps" and "militants" get it from. So I had a hard time reading through these chapters because my jerk reaction was to put the book down because I have been condition to believe that I'm about to be kicked some pseudo-science or pseudo knowledge. I even looked up some speeches of Malcolm on Youtube to see if he really talked in this manner and to my surprise, he did. And I couldn't even get through the speeches because I have been conditioned to have this sort of visceral reaction to it. In my mind, it's like how can one of the most revered black orators talk like this? James Baldwin was also militant but he had a way with words, a literary genius. And he did not have high formal education, like a Dubois. His background was very much like Malcolm's. And yet, James Baldwin, a man of many and beautiful words, was enthralled with Malcolm, as well as other writers, artist, and poets at the time. I have always known this from reading Baldwin and other black writers, so their fascination with Malcolm has urged me to keep going and find out why. So the use of the language used by Malcolm is something I need to deconstruct. Also, I'm aware I'm using "hotep" and "militant" in a very negative manner. I recognize from the jump, that this is a manifestation of elitism in my own life and that it's something I need to work on.

Speaking on the topic of elitism, Malcolm's contempt for the "so called" :lolbron: black bourgeoisie also stood out.

One of the themes that I kept at the forefront of my mind while reading the first three chapters was "origins". I was specifically looking for what in his childhood development influenced his mode of thinking in adulthood. It became obvious that Malcolm had a peculiar sort of contempt for the black bourgeoisie class but in reading the first three chapters, I found the explanations for his contempt lacking and to be frank, hypocritical.

For one, his father was a minister. And ministers were de facto bourgeoisie at that time when most black people were laborers and sharecroppers. His father worked hard and although they struggled, his father had enough resources to build their own home and cultivate their own food outside of Lansing, when most black people in the urban north were living in tenement housing and on relief. Blacks in the rural north, rented homes or lived in shanties. So Malcolm was privileged in a way that he did not recognize comparative to most blacks.

Secondly, Malcolm talks about a run-in at the United Nations that he has with, as he described, "complacent, misguided so-called "middle class" Negroes - the typical status symbol-oriented, integration seeking type of Negroes" from his hometown. This is a lot to unpack. Malcolm's father, a minister, a member of the bourgeoisie, whether he recognized that fact or not, was, as he described, a "crusading and militant" member of Marcus Garvey's UNIA, that, as we all know, was a black nationalist organization seeking to set up its own black independent state in Africa. Nevermind the fact that it is not to be missed, that the members of the local UNIA organizations, were Christian members of his father's church network, while Malcolm would go on to disparage black Christians as being docile and subservient under the "white man's religion", which is another post I'm going to do altogether.

I'm just a bit disappointed that Malcolm didn't see nuance.

He admitted that his own sister, Ella, was a "society" type. Who lived up on the Hill with the rest of the "Boston 400". And yet, "she was the first really proud black woman I had ever seen in my life. She was plainly proud of her very dark skin. This was unheard of among Negroes in those days, especially in Lansing." "The way she sat, moved, talked, did everything, bespoke somebody who did and got exactly what she wanted." "She had come north with nothing, and she worked and saved and had invested in property that she built up in value, and then she started sending money to Georgia for another sister, brother, cousin, niece or nephew, to come north to Boston." - This is the story of the black bourgeoisie and yet he has reduced them all to "complacent, misguided, integration seeking" all the while his sister and the rest of the "Boston Black 400" was living in Roxbury, the all-black section of Boston, comparable to Harlem.

Imagine if he had exposure to this "proud blackness" earlier in his childhood.

His reductionist take on black middle class professionals is also odd considering his recollection of how his favorite teacher, Mr. Ostrowski, advised him away from being a lawyer, of which, Malcolm admitted, that even he was surprised that he admitted. Malcolm states "Lansing certainly had no Negro lawyers - or doctors either - in those days, to hold up an image I might have aspired to."

So on one hand, he despises them, yet admits there is a need for them as an image the black masses can aspire towards.

I don't get it. Am I missing something?

There is a lot lacking in how he came to have contempt for the black bourgeoisie and black Christians of his childhood, enough that would influence the way he thinks about them later in life. This gives me the initial thought that maybe much of it was brainwashing from the NOI?

This is a long post so I'm going to stop here but these were my initial thoughts. I'll break down my comments about each chapter in another post.
Dope post.
 
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