Nicki Minaj, Hot 97 & hypocrisy in Hip Hop

[wolfpoppa]

This article hits on that niki minaj/YCMB/rosenberg bullshyt beef or whatever you want to call it. It also touches on the concept of what Hip-Hop "means". I'm half white and am not as into the newer shyt... but I can't deny a "pop" banger when I hear one. [Not that I like Starships, I haven't heard it actually]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/a...8829536-7lRrYz3PYzHx4SxWQDMXLg&pagewanted=all


Drake is wack though.

 

[Food Mane]

Well written article. I think this is the most important point:

"The idea that art and commerce are at odds is a remnant of an old culture war: dogma presented as forward-thinking but really just protecting an outmoded status quo..."

Sad we can't really have a conversation about this due to the ethnicities of those involved.

 

[Hussein Fonzarelli]

Hip-hop is basically a slick, audible whored-out marketing vehicle for high-end and urban fashion brands.

It boggles my mind how the fukk does anyone fall for the trap of "siding" with "real" or "fake".

Remember this all you autistic hip-hop nerds (or should I say more precisely - elitist c*nts);

ANY RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR MOTHERfukkING MONEY IS A SELL OUT

and

AND RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR NO MONEY (OR ANY KIND OF MATERIALISTIC BARTER) AT ALL IS REAL


Now.


Who's real?


Exactly.

 

[wolfpoppa]

I don't think the average Hip Hop fan can handle this kind of discussion though. I don't know if that is telling of the average fan or what, but it is sad.

Hope I'm wrong though

 

[The Real]

This article hits on that niki minaj/YCMB/rosenberg bullshyt beef or whatever you want to call it. It also touches on the concept of what Hip-Hop "means". I'm half white and am not as into the newer shyt... but I can't deny a "pop" banger when I hear one. [Not that I like Starships, I haven't heard it actually]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/a...8829536-7lRrYz3PYzHx4SxWQDMXLg&pagewanted=all


Drake is wack though.

"But to reject “Starships” is to reject the idea of hip-hop as a big tent with room for multiple ideas and micromovements and polarities. That creates the sort of boundary designed to discourage outsiders, innovation and difference. It is the kind of tactic once deployed to keep hip-hop as a whole at arm’s length from the mainstream. "

This part is total bullshyt.^

Arguments about what constitutes a genre have always been part of every genre. Even in the earliest days of hip-hop, people were arguing about whether disco influence in the music was a good thing or a bad thing, real progress or "sellout" influence.

Starships as a song is trash. It's just straight up not a good song and doesn't capitalize on any of Nicki's strengths (actual rapping.) She wanted to avoid being pigeonholed the way many female rappers are, but in the process she ended up coming off as a Lady Gaga/Katy Perry clone... hardly original, innovative, or different, as this article claims. I'm not a fan of her music in general, but it's clear her rapping is far superior to this style she's trying to dabble in and that this song in particular could have been on any 3rd-rate pop star's album. The idea that we have to accept it or we're being narrow-minded is pure commercialist propaganda.

 

[Rayzah]

Rosenberg was right it was just the wrong time to say it.. When hip hop became "business" and less about art form or artistic expression, that is when everything went down hill. and to be honest its not the artist fault they decide to go pop, they know in order to make money they have to appeal to a non hip hop audience. the downfall is no one (besides Jay or kanye) knows how to do this without ailenating thier core fanbase. Nicki alienated the hip hop fans who thought she was a half decent rapper in order to "sell out" or get paid and she is too caught up in herself to see that or understand why the backlash,

 

[Rayzah]

"But to reject “Starships” is to reject the idea of hip-hop as a big tent with room for multiple ideas and micromovements and polarities. That creates the sort of boundary designed to discourage outsiders, innovation and difference. It is the kind of tactic once deployed to keep hip-hop as a whole at arm’s length from the mainstream. "

This part is total bullshyt.^

Arguments about what constitutes a genre have always been part of every genre. Even in the earliest days of hip-hop, people were arguing about whether disco influence in the music was a good thing or a bad thing, real progress or "sellout" influence.

Starships as a song is trash. It's just straight up not a good song and doesn't capitalize on any of Nicki's strengths (actual rapping.) She wanted to avoid being pigeonholed the way many female rappers are, but in the process she ended up coming off as a Lady Gaga/Katy Perry clone... hardly original, innovative, or different, as this article claims. I'm not a fan of her music in general, but it's clear her rapping is far superior to this style she's trying to dabble in and that this song in particular could have been on any 3rd-rate pop star's album. The idea that we have to accept it or we're being narrow-minded is pure commercialist propaganda.

Exactly what I was trying to say......

 

[Bolzmark]

Hip-hop is basically a slick, audible whored-out marketing vehicle for high-end and urban fashion brands.

It boggles my mind how the fukk does anyone fall for the trap of "siding" with "real" or "fake".

Remember this all you autistic hip-hop nerds (or should I say more precisely - elitist c*nts);

ANY RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR MOTHERfukkING MONEY IS A SELL OUT

and

AND RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR NO MONEY (OR ANY KIND OF MATERIALISTIC BARTER) AT ALL IS REAL


Now.


Who's real?


Exactly.

Thank you! Hip hop began to "sell out" the MOMENT that first record deal was signed back in he 70's. Everybody has their own "borderline" where if you cross it, then you have "sold out". I remember KRS saying Kanye's album with "Flashing Lighs" wasnt hip hop. It didnt have enough "street shyt" in it like 50's album. And lets be real here, KRS hs as much credibility in hip hop as anybody could. But hold up...didnt he do a song with Diddy?

Artists are here to make money. And EVERY artist has those songs where they are trying to reach a broader audience - KRS, NAS, Jay-Z, and even M.O.P (rememeber that R&B joint they had about 10 years or so ago? It was not gangsta lol)

The ironic thing here is when record labels push songs like "Starships" what they are saying is, "we needto appeal to people outside the hardcore hip hop audience...you know, the ROSENBERGS of th world"

 

[Harry B]

Any rapper who raps for money is a sell-out? What about the people that what their raps to spread out across the world? If you want millions of your people to hear your music you're a sellout? Cause most of the time they are the people making "sellout" music. If you want to explore new territory and make a song like Wiz Khalifas "I roll up" or if he wants girls to have a joint they can ride to is that selling out?

The goal is to live of rap, the goal is to catch fans preferably fans who appreciate the shyt you want to put out.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The ironic thing here is when record labels push songs like "Starships" what they are saying is, "we needto appeal to people outside the hardcore hip hop audience...you know, the ROSENBERGS of th world"

Bingo

 

[Yung Fresh]

Hip-hop is basically a slick, audible whored-out marketing vehicle for high-end and urban fashion brands.

It boggles my mind how the fukk does anyone fall for the trap of "siding" with "real" or "fake".

Remember this all you autistic hip-hop nerds (or should I say more precisely - elitist c*nts);

ANY RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR MOTHERfukkING MONEY IS A SELL OUT

and

AND RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR NO MONEY (OR ANY KIND OF MATERIALISTIC BARTER) AT ALL IS REAL


Now.


Who's real?


Exactly.

most retarded post of the decade?

 

[L. Deezy]

Hip-hop is basically a slick, audible whored-out marketing vehicle for high-end and urban fashion brands.

It boggles my mind how the fukk does anyone fall for the trap of "siding" with "real" or "fake".

Remember this all you autistic hip-hop nerds (or should I say more precisely - elitist c*nts);

ANY RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR MOTHERfukkING MONEY IS A SELL OUT

and

AND RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR NO MONEY (OR ANY KIND OF MATERIALISTIC BARTER) AT ALL IS REAL


Now.


Who's real?


Exactly.

U trying to sound too smart. You using the wrong words B. Sellout doesnt equal getting paid to do what you do.

When James Brown was singing and getting paid for "Say it loud, Im black and Im proud" he wasnt being a sellout.

I like where you were going but you using the wrong words

 

[Hussein Fonzarelli]

most retarded post of the decade?

Shut the fukk up you limited twat.

Any shyt you do for $ is a job.

And any shyt you do for free is out of love.




I don't give a flyin fukk about your views on that, you broke ass exclusively-hood rapper.

 

[L. Deezy]

most retarded post of the decade?

lol.. I get what he's trying to say.

he trying to say the moment hip hop became corporate, it became sell out music. I never believed that. some rappers have said that in the past which is totally not true. Making music as a living and getting paid is not sellout shyt.

 

[Yung Fresh]

Shut the fukk up you limited twat.

Any shyt you do for $ is a job.

And any shyt you do for free is out of love.




I don't give a flyin fukk about your views on that, you broke ass exclusively-hood rapper.

fakkit? Rapping for money makes you a sell out?



What a fukking idiot. Go drink bleach fakkit