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Martin Delaney, who, unlike Garvey, actually travelled to African countries to negotiate conditions for return. (1864 or so)

Paul Cuffe, a wealthy AA man who put up his own money to find back to Africa trips. (1815 or so)

Henry McNeal Turner (1870s or so)

That's off top. If you want more, I can dig out my notes and give you more.

None of those examples predate the Son of Africa

 

[Peachstate]

None of those examples predate the Son of Africa

I thought you were talking about Marcus Garvey.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don’t know about “since the plantation”, there have always been blacks in America that looked at Africa as a foreign and savage place, especially once the generations that actually lived in Africa passed away.

Being real most Black Americans exposure to pan-African thought came through the Black Panthers/Black Liberation Army, Marcus Garvey brought it to America as well much earlier, but most of Black America rejected him as an outsider, because he wasn’t a descendant of American chattel slavery.

Negative. Garvey didn't bring anything to the USA, he learned it from Aframs in the USA where it already existed!

Spoiler

the ADOSian "Ethiopanist" tradition

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A bit more background info on some of the people I previously mentioned:

Benjamin "Pap" Singleton (1809 – February 17, 1900)



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Isaiah T. Montgomery (May 21, 1847 – March 5, 1924)

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^^He learned from Booker

as did Garvey:

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Garvery's saying: "Africa for the Afrcans" came straight from Martin Delany




Martin Robison Delany (May 6, 1812 – January 24, 1885)

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outside of Delany and Booker, Henry Mcneal Turner more than anyone else, laid the blueprint for Garvey

Henry McNeal Turner (February 1, 1834 – May 8, 1915)




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If anything the “Son of Africa” which were escaped and freed slaves from all over the world but gathered in Europe were the pioneers of what we call modern pan-Africanism, they were also the first black abolitionist and their work helped end slavery throughout Europe long before slavery ended in the West.

Sons of Africa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sons of Africa wasn't the beginning of modern day Pan-Africanism. That was mainly regulated to people who were enslaved/escaped from/in British Colonies. Modern Pan-Africanism as pioneered by Aframs incorporated ALL Afrodescendants regardless of geographic origins.

Their membership included freed slaves from the USA, but a lot of those former slaves never abandoned their tribal identities, or were never stripped of their tribal identity.

Marcus Garvey was probably the first descendant of western chattel slavery pushing modern Pan-Africanism in the West,

see above

but it’s well documented that black America rejected him while he was active, moving back to a Africa was seen as a pipe dream and he was depicted as a scammer.

His biggest donator and benefactor was a black millionaire from Belize named, Isiah Morter of Igbo descent, from a region called Igbotown in Belize City.

But black America were definitely pioneers in the field of black critical theory and black self-realization. Frederick Douglass is a top ten black man of all time, and his lineage of thought leaders contributed a lot to blacks understanding their position in the world and trying to change it.

You mean, Jamaica rejected him Aframs were willing to listen but they had already put into play everything he was trying to sell back to them

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But the same common men and women would eventually reject Garvey and leave him disillusioned with America.

Also what part of the Free African Union Society would be described as pan-African by the modern definition.

You're right, those societies were more about Black empowerment than Pan-Africanism but the "free african" societies took on the "African" or "Afro" prefix because of the Pan-Africanist/Pro-Africa nature of the people that founded said societies

By 1824 they had renamed to “the Colored Union Church and Society” and you wouldn’t see the word “African” commonly being used as an identity for black Americans until more than a century later during the Black Power movements of the mid-1900s, which were influenced by Garvey.

Maybe he didn’t “bring” it, that was a bad way to phrase it, but is it wrong to say that Garvey resurrected the idea of blacks in the West as Africans in lineage and identity?

Black empowerment isn’t synonymous with pan-Africanism, you could argue that it’s the precursor to modern pan-Africanism, and I stated that black American were pioneers in the realm of black empowerment in my first post, but still those organizations were focused primarily on issues facing blacks in America, not globally.

Afro, African, Afric etc...were all used obvioulsy, before 1824 but they all continued to be used going into the early 1900s (before Garvey) and prior to the 1960s (black Power era)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Sons of Africa wasn't the beginning of modern day Pan-Africanism. That was mainly regulated to people who were enslaved/escaped from/in British Colonies. Modern Pan-Africanism as pioneered by Aframs incorporated ALL Afrodescendants regardless of geographic origins.

Read:

The group consisted of Gustavus Vassa, Ottobah Cugoano [John Stuart], George Robert Mandeville, William Stevens, Joseph Almaze, Broughwar Jogensmel [Jasper Goree], James Bailey, Thomas Oxford, John Adams, George Wallace, Yahne Aelane [Joseph Stuart], Cojoh Ammere [George Williams], Thomas Cooper, William Greek, and Bernard Elliot Griffiths. The Sons of Africa sought to make known the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade and to abolish the institution of slavery in the British colonies. They were deeply involved in the anti-slavery movement and worked intimately with the Society for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, a non-denominational group founded in 1787 by Granville Sharp and Thomas Clarkson. The Sons of Africa referred to Clarkson in their letters as a “constant and generous friend.” They kept in close contact with other British abolitionists, such as James Ramsay, Peter Peckard, and MP Sir William Dolben. They were closely allied with the Society of Friends, that is, the Quakers, who had deemed slavery a moral issue and were excommunicating members of their religious affiliation who refused to publicly denounce the slave trade.

Equiano's World

equianosworld.org

 

[Inokja]

You're right, those societies were more about Black empowerment than Pan-Africanism but the "free african" societies took on the "African" or "Afro" prefix because of the Pan-Africanist/Pro-Africa nature of the people that founded said societies

Do you have sources for the screencaptured text, and first and fourth videos at the bottom of the post? You can message me if you don't want to post it for whatever reason.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Do you have sources for the screencaptured text,

Begrimed and Black
Christian Traditions on Blacks and Blackness
By Robert Earl Hood

and first

Making Black America

This four-hour series introduces a vibrant world at the heart of the Black experience.

www.pbs.org

and fourth videos at the bottom of the post? You can message me if you don't want to post it for whatever reason.

Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC news report)

 

[Inokja]

Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC news report)

Thanks, I was able to find it right before your post. Feel free to add to your sources

(The origin of the term ‘African American’ (link)
"Jesse Jackson may have popularized the term in the late 1980s, but a Yale researcher finds what may very well be the very first written instance of "African American" - and it was published 233 years ago. Lawrence explains in his latest Rewrite. April 21, 2015)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Can you cite examples and do any of those example predate the Son Of Africa?

I forgot to to add this...

On December 15, 1787, Vassa along with others associated with the Sons of Africa, wrote a letter entitled, “the Address of Thanks of the Sons of Africa to the Honourable Granville Sharp Esq.” In the letter, the Sons of Africa, on behalf of their fellow countrymen unlawfully held in slavery, expressed their gratitude to Sharp for his role in advancing the abolitionist cause. The Sons of Africa referred to themselves as “we, who are a part, or descendants of the much-wronged people of Africa,” suggesting the Vassa and others believed that one need not have been born in Africa in order to identify as a son of Africa. It was not until the emergence of the anti-slavery activist movement and groups like the Sons of Africa, that Africa began to be seen as more than just a place but also an idea, greatly contributing to the development of an African diasporic public, social and political identity.

Equiano's World

equianosworld.org

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[IllmaticDelta]

Thanks, I was able to find it right before your post. Feel free to add to your sources

(The origin of the term ‘African American’ (link)
"Jesse Jackson may have popularized the term in the late 1980s, but a Yale researcher finds what may very well be the very first written instance of "African American" - and it was published 233 years ago. Lawrence explains in his latest Rewrite. April 21, 2015)

IDK if the stream played on that site played for you (It's not working for me) but here is the full clip: