James Baldwin and Nikki Giovanni’s Extraordinary Forgotten Conversation About the Language of Love and What It Takes to Be Truly Empowered
“If you don’t understand yourself you don’t understand anybody else.”
By Maria Popova
In November of 1971, fifteen months after his remarkable
conversation with Margaret Mead about race and identity,
James Baldwin (August 2, 1924–December 1, 1987) sat down with another extraordinary woman, the
poet Nikki Giovanni (b. June 7, 1943), for another conversation of astonishing timeliness today. The event was hosted by the PBS television series
SOUL! and took place in London. Baldwin was forty-six and Giovanni only twenty-eight. For hours of absolute presence, intellectual communion, and occasional respectful rebuttal, they explored justice, freedom, morality, and what it means to be an empowered human being. The transcript was eventually published as
A Dialogue (
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