Nintendo projecting a Annual Loss of $240M

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the best way i can sum it up is like this picture if Disney said fukk DVD and Blu-Ray we're gonna put out our own proprietary disc player and out movies will only work on it. other studios are welcomed to make movies on our Disney format disc also but Disney will no longer make DVDs and Blu-Rays and if you wanna watch their movie you gotta buy their proprietary player and disc that only play in it and don't work on conventional movie players.

all the other movie studios continue to make Blu-Rays and DVDs. some of them also put out disc on the Disney player. from a consumer standpoint you just buy a DVD or Blu-Ray player and tell your kids to watch Universal, Dreamworks, and 20th Century Fox kids movies. Nintendo is stuck with their dedicated Nintendo box and the rest of the market is like we'll just buy a PS4 or an Xbox One and game on those and just skip Nintendo.
Not really an equivilant methaphor. Maybe if this was Nintendos first console what you are saying would make sense. But that's not what this is
 

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why is it bad that Nintendo post annual of only 240 milly while Sony post a lost in billions for the past 5 years

Well the difference is Sony is a significantly larger company than NIntendo.
It's like Microsoft taking losses, 240 million won't hurt Microsoft
like it'd hurt Nintendo.

Nintendo is saving the industry as we speak. If it wasn't for them. All the gamers would have is GTA, Madden, and CoD every year. On top of the fact that many gamers think that imagination is only for kids and every game has to be mature. Their $240 million loss will easily be rebounded in 2014.

Sony, on the other had, is on the verge of collapse. the PS4 is one of the only things that is selling.

I disagree.
There are too many other successful series that aren't
GTA,Madden or COD, if Nintendo were gone, those series would
still be doing well.
 

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Well the difference is Sony is a significantly larger company than NIntendo.
It's like Microsoft taking losses, 240 million won't hurt Microsoft
like it'd hurt Nintendo.



I disagree.
There are too many other successful series that aren't
GTA,Madden or COD, if Nintendo were gone, those series would
still be doing well.

I meant that the likes of Madden, GTA, and CoD make up of 80% of all console software sales. The remaining franchises are struggling to keep afloat fighting for the remaining 20% of the software sales and have to release cheap ass DLC to keep their doors open.
 

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Well the difference is Sony is a significantly larger company than NIntendo.
It's like Microsoft taking losses, 240 million won't hurt Microsoft
like it'd hurt Nintendo.



I disagree.
There are too many other successful series that aren't
GTA,Madden or COD, if Nintendo were gone, those series would
still be doing well.
But Nintendo isnt hurting
 

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I meant that the likes of Madden, GTA, and CoD make up of 80% of all console software sales. The remaining franchises are struggling to keep afloat fighting for the remaining 20% of the software sales and have to release cheap ass DLC to keep their doors open.
They don't though.
EA for example survives off of it's entire sports games portfolio.
Madden is one of it's big sellers but it's not the ONLY big seller
they have.
The same goes for Rockstar, they had several different releases
from all of their studios and most of them managed to sell well
outside of GTA which sold phenomenally.
CoD is another good example, it sold fantastically
but it isn't the only game that kept activision alive.
That's also owed to "Guitar Hero" which sold like crazy.

Bigger publishers like EA wouldn't be around if they only
had one game selling while everything else is floundering.
Games like Mass Effect and Dead Space sold well enough
to get multiple sequels.
The same goes for series like Assassin's Creed and splinter Cell
which sold well enough to get sever sequels, while still
allowing Activision to drop games that everyone can play like
Rayman or the Raving Rabbids titles (which all sell well enough
to get sequels green lit).

This is why I say if Nintendo were no more, these games wouldn't stop
getting made, and developers wouldn't stop being creative.
But Nintendo isnt hurting
If they had to put out a statement to investors then you can TRUST they're definitely feeling the heat.

One poster already said it, you can't run a company in the red, eventually
you have to make PROFIT.
 

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Not really an equivilant methaphor. Maybe if this was Nintendos first console what you are saying would make sense. But that's not what this is
Nintendo makes its own box that plays its own games and a minor selection of third party games. Meanwhile the competitors boxes play pretty much all third party games as well as their own games.

Basically the only worth of buying Nintendo's box is to play their games. The home console crowd doesn't value Nintendo's games enough to pay that price of admission. If the choices are buy Nintendo's box and play their games or don't buy it and miss out. The overwhelming majority of console gamers would rather skip those games.

Nintendo has no response for this because the only valid response isn't something they're willing to do. There for Nintendo will continue on a path to home console irrelevancy as more and more gamers start to ignore them.

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Historically Nintendo console sales have been in a free fall. The Wii was a fluke outside of it each Nintendo console sold worse than the previous one.
 

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They don't though.
EA for example survives off of it's entire sports games portfolio.
Madden is one of it's big sellers but it's not the ONLY big seller
they have.
The same goes for Rockstar, they had several different releases
from all of their studios and most of them managed to sell well
outside of GTA which sold phenomenally.
CoD is another good example, it sold fantastically
but it isn't the only game that kept activision alive.
That's also owed to "Guitar Hero" which sold like crazy.

Bigger publishers like EA wouldn't be around if they only
had one game selling while everything else is floundering.
Games like Mass Effect and Dead Space sold well enough
to get multiple sequels.
The same goes for series like Assassin's Creed and splinter Cell
which sold well enough to get sever sequels, while still
allowing Activision to drop games that everyone can play like
Rayman or the Raving Rabbids titles (which all sell well enough
to get sequels green lit).

This is why I say if Nintendo were no more, these games wouldn't stop
getting made, and developers wouldn't stop being creative.

If they had to put out a statement to investors then you can TRUST they're definitely feeling the heat.

One poster already said it, you can't run a company in the red, eventually
you have to make PROFIT.
they are not hurting that bad too quit making consoles...this is their first posted lost in 30 years
 

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They don't though.
EA for example survives off of it's entire sports games portfolio.
Madden is one of it's big sellers but it's not the ONLY big seller
they have.
The same goes for Rockstar, they had several different releases
from all of their studios and most of them managed to sell well
outside of GTA which sold phenomenally.
CoD is another good example, it sold fantastically
but it isn't the only game that kept activision alive.
That's also owed to "Guitar Hero" which sold like crazy.

Bigger publishers like EA wouldn't be around if they only
had one game selling while everything else is floundering.
Games like Mass Effect and Dead Space sold well enough
to get multiple sequels.
The same goes for series like Assassin's Creed and splinter Cell
which sold well enough to get sever sequels, while still
allowing Activision to drop games that everyone can play like
Rayman or the Raving Rabbids titles (which all sell well enough
to get sequels green lit).

This is why I say if Nintendo were no more, these games wouldn't stop
getting made, and developers wouldn't stop being creative.

Guitar Hero hasn't been released in Years. Splinter Cell hasn't been released in years, either. Activision and EA have been known to run sequels down the ground till no one cares about it anymore, like Tony Hawk.

Gaming needs Nintendo cause they are literally the last ones in the mainstream media that can make games for people of all ages and not resort to prototypical DLC and bullshyt.
 

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they are not hurting that bad too quit making consoles...this is their first posted lost in 30 years
I never said they were, but we'll see how things go.
I doubt they'd want to lose all of the profits they made off of the Wii with the Wii U
like Sony did with the ps3 eating up their ps2 profit.

Guitar Hero hasn't been released in Years. Splinter Cell hasn't been released in years, either. Activision and EA have been known to run sequels down the ground till no one cares about it anymore, like Tony Hawk.

Gaming needs Nintendo cause they are literally the last ones in the mainstream media that can make games for people of all ages and not resort to prototypical DLC and bullshyt.
:beli:

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This came out last year.

As for the second I gotta call BS.
There are many talented Dev's "mainstream" (ugh. hate that word.) and
underground that deliver the goods.
 
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Nintendo is saving the industry as we speak. If it wasn't for them. All the gamers would have is GTA, Madden, and CoD every year. On top of the fact that many gamers think that imagination is only for kids and every game has to be mature. Their $240 million loss will easily be rebounded in 2014.

Sony, on the other had, is on the verge of collapse. the PS4 is one of the only things that is selling.

If it wasnt for everyone else we'd be playing:

Mario
Mario kart
Mario party
Zelda
Metroid
Kirby
Starfox
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong Racing

And 1-2 sequels of these same titles every generation

Is this better?
 

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If it wasnt for everyone else we'd be playing:

Mario
Mario kart
Mario party
Zelda
Metroid
Kirby
Starfox
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong Racing

And 1-2 sequels of these same titles every generation

Is this better?

Nah, outside of the Mario Platform games, you only see ONE game per generation with significant changes in gameplay. People claim that they rather buy CoD every year and GTA every few years with graphical upgrades and online gameplay that is inconsistent. I mean, if those Nintendo franchises appeared on a Sony console, people would cheer on to no end, but people in general are bias with Nintendo and never give credit where it is due.

Sad to say, but when the gaming industry crashes (not if, but when), people will understand what I am talking about.
 
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Nah, outside of the Mario Platform games, you only see ONE game per generation with significant changes in gameplay. People claim that they rather buy CoD every year and GTA every few years with graphical upgrades and online gameplay that is inconsistent. I mean, if those Nintendo franchises appeared on a Sony console, people would cheer on to no end, but people in general are bias with Nintendo and never give credit where it is due.

Sad to say, but when the gaming industry crashes (not if, but when), people will understand what I am talking about.
You see that nintendo lineup on every nintendo console since SNES since the respective games were created. Over and over. And over.
 

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they are not hurting that bad too quit making consoles...this is their first posted lost in 30 years
Nintendo's business model is failing them. they've reached a point in the home console market where they don't have enough dedicated fans to put out a home console and have it be profitable anymore. Even with the 3DS they're still posting losses.

I know you seem to want to pretend that Nintendo can just continue down their current path and burn through all their money just for the love of it but in reality businesses exist to make money not lose it.

do you get that in the year of a 3D Mario release Nintendo's Wii U isn't even gonna crack 3 million sold worldwide in a full year. they thought they were gonna sell 9 million Wii Us and they couldn't even crack 3 million and Mario used to be a "system seller" well not anymore.

The Wii U's current trajectory puts it on a path to be lucky to sell 15-16 million units in its entire life if we assume 5 years. the Gamecube sold like 21 million btw.
 

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You see that nintendo lineup on every nintendo console since SNES since the respective games were created. Over and over. And over.

Only AAA franchises last that long with legendary gameplay and near infinite replayability. Face it, people want Nintendo to fail so the industry be free of Nintendo consoles and free of "kiddie" games that are better quality than 90% of the popular games now.
 
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