No 5-Star Recruits Starting in the Superbowl

[polokuo]

from http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...riots-seahawks-high-school-recruiting-ratings

This was pretty amazing to me. Of the 44 starters in this year's Superbowl, none of them were five-star recruits in high school and only eight were rated four stars. The majority were either two or three-starred recruits. So many potential takeaways from this: (1) Are recruiting services overrated? (2) Is this a testament to the respective college programs that developed these players into outstanding NFL talent? (3) Is it a sign of how important coaching in the NFL is?

Seahawks
Name Position College Rating
Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin 3 star
Russell Okung LT Oklahoma State 3 star
James Carpenter LG Alabama 4 star
Max Unger C Oregon 3 star
J.R. Sweezy RG NC State 2 star
Justin Britt RT Missouri 3 star
Luke Willson TE Rice 2 star
Doug Baldwin WR Stanford 2 star
Jermaine Kearse WR Washington 3 star
Ricardo Lockette WR Fort Valley State NR
Marshawn Lynch RB California 4 star
Michael Bennett DE Texas A&M NR
Tony McDaniel DT Tennessee 3 star
Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State N/A (too old)
Cliff Avril DE Purdue 3 star
Bruce Irvin LB West Virginia 4 star
Bobby Wagner LB Utah State 2 star
K.J. Wright LB Mississippi State 3 star
Richard Sherman CB Stanford 3 star
Earl Thomas FS Texas 3 star
Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech 3 star
Byron Maxwell CB Clemson 4 star
Steven Hauschka K NC State NR
Jon Ryan P Regina (Canada) N/A (from Canada)

Patriots
Name Position College Rating
Tom Brady QB Michigan N/A (too old)
Nate Solder LT Colorado 3 star
Dan Connolly LG Southeast Missouri State NR
Ryan Wendell C Fresno State 2 star
Josh Kline RG Kent State 2 star
Sebastian Vollmer RT Houston N/A (from Germany)
Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona 4 star
Julian Edelman WR Kent State 3 star
Brandon LaFell WR LSU 3 star
Danny Amendola WR Texas Tech 3 star
LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon 4 star
Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue 3 star
Vince Wilfork DT Miami 4 star
Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 2 star
Chandler Jones DE Syracuse 2 star
Jamie Collins LB Southern Mississippi 3 star
Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama 4 star
Jonathan Casillas LB Wisconsin 2 star
Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh 3 star
Devin McCourty FS Rutgers 3 star
Patrick Chung SS Oregon 2 star
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State 3 star
Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis N/A (kickers weren't always rated)
Ryan Allen P Louisiana Tech NR

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

star ratings are not supposed to gauge NFL talent; its supposed to gauge raw HS talent and its potential in the college game. Tyrelle Pryor was a 5 star recruit but would be a 1 star NFL recruit of course.

Secondly,

IMO, the star system is very flawed for pocket QBs at this point considering a 5 star pocket QB has less potential to succeed than a 4 or THREE star dual threat qb in today's college game.

I'll be back with historic QBs in top 100

 

[Figdcotton]

They let da 5 stars Percy harvin and Brandon spikes go

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Rank within year | Name | School | College bust | NFL bust (or not drafted)

#1 Vincent Young Texas NO arguably
#4 Ben Olson UCLA yes yes
#8 Marcus Vick Virginia Tech no yes
#20 Trent Edwards Stanford no yes
#30 James Banks Tennessee yes yes
#40 Justin Zwick Ohio St. awful yes
#57 Gavin dikkey Florida yes yes
#67 Lester Ricard Jr. LSU yes yes
#91 Anthony Martinez Virginia yes yes
#96 Matt Gutierrez Michigan yes yes
#5 Kyle Wright Miami (FL) yes yes
#26 Chris Leak Florida NO yes
#32 Robert Lane Mississippi yes yes
#57 Dennis Dixon Oregon NO yes
#70 Tommy Grady Oklahoma Yes Yes
#71 Clayton Richard Michigan WHO YES
#78 Kevin McCabe Virginia yes yes
#79 JaMarcus Russell LSU NO Arguably
#84 Marcus Stone N.C. State no

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Rank within year | Name | School | College bust | NFL bust (or not drafted)

#4 Rhett Bomar Oklahoma yes yes
#10 Xavier Lee Florida St. no yes
#12 Anthony Morelli Penn St. no yes
#13 Chad Henne Michigan no no
#16 Matthew Tuiasosopo Washington yes yes
#41 Robbie Reid Oklahoma St. yes yes
#50 Stephen McGee Texas A&M yes yes
#69 Chase Patton Missouri yes yes
#78 Brian Brohm Louisville yes yes
#88 Drew Weatherford Florida St. yes yes
#97 Nick Patton Kansas St. yes yes
#89 Jake Christensen Iowa yes yes
#60 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee yes yes
#16 Ryan Perrilloux LSU no yes
#7 Mark Sanchez USC no no
#6 Matthew Stafford Georgia no no
#10 Mitch Mustain Arkansas arguably yes
#22 Tim Tebow Florida no YES
#54 Demetrius Jones Notre Dame who yes
#61 Jevan Snead Texas yes yes
#68 Jake Locker Washington no arguably
#80 Isiah Williams Illinois yes yes
#92 Josh Freeman Kansas St. no yes
#94 Jeremy Ricker Maryland yes yes
#1 Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame arguably YES
#4 Ryan Mallett Michigan no yes
#27 Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech yes yes
#28 Cameron Newton Florida no no
#44 Aaron Corp USC yes yes
#47 John Brantley Florida yes yes
#82 Mike Paulus N. Carolina yes yes
#90 Stephen Garcia South Carolina yes yes
#98 Willy Korn Clemson yes yes

so,

my analysis;

they are very poor at judging pocket passers.

They are decently good at judging dual threats

they tend to overvalue arm stregnth

thats all JUST the qb position, the star system by rivals at least is more accruate with DL and RB imo

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

star ratings are not supposed to gauge NFL talent; its supposed to gauge raw HS talent and its potential in the college game. Tyrelle Pryor was a 5 star recruit but would be a 1 star NFL recruit of course.

Secondly,

IMO, the star system is very flawed for pocket QBs at this point considering a 5 star pocket QB has less potential to succeed than a 4 or THREE star dual threat qb in today's college game.

I'll be back with historic QBs in top 100

I think most sites have corrected that..most pocket qb's don't even make the top 100 you might have 2 or 3

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

star ratings are not supposed to gauge NFL talent; its supposed to gauge raw HS talent and its potential in the college game. Tyrelle Pryor was a 5 star recruit but would be a 1 star NFL recruit of course.

Secondly,

IMO, the star system is very flawed for pocket QBs at this point considering a 5 star pocket QB has less potential to succeed than a 4 or THREE star dual threat qb in today's college game.

I'll be back with historic QBs in top 100

Ed never miss a chance to take a shot at Ohio State

 

[L&HH]

The recruiting system like @Ed MOTHEREFFING G just said gauges raw talent and athletic ability pretty much. I'll give a personal anecdote from my school.

My junior year we had two top D1 recruited players. One was a 4 star recruit the other was a 3 star recruit. The 4 star was about 6'1 ran a 4.4 and was an overall athletic monster the 3 star was 5'9 maybe 5'10 a, 4.4 speed and athletic but played corner where a height like that is a huge disadvantage, but was a hard worker. Guess which one actually made an NFL practice squad? and guess which one barely played in college until his junior/senior year after transferring to a lower status D1 school?

Alot of 4 and 5 stars are able to ride off pure athletic ability but don't realy work hard and they get humbles quickly at the next level and of course even moreso at the highest level where everybody's athletic and unless your in the top 0.0001% of superhumans like chris johnson, you can't just really on that.

The star system doesn't account for work ethic. And there's a whole lot of physical growth between the ages of 17/18-22/23. Another thing to account for is reclassifying, some of these dudes be alot older than their competition around them in high school which obviously catches up to them when it comes to the league or college even.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

I think most sites have corrected that..most pocket qb's don't even make the top 100 you might have 2 or 3

there have been way LESS qbs there too

 

[Figdcotton]

Rank within year | Name | School | College bust | NFL bust (or not drafted)

#4 Rhett Bomar Oklahoma yes yes
#10 Xavier Lee Florida St. no yes
#12 Anthony Morelli Penn St. no yes
#13 Chad Henne Michigan no no
#16 Matthew Tuiasosopo Washington yes yes
#41 Robbie Reid Oklahoma St. yes yes
#50 Stephen McGee Texas A&M yes yes
#69 Chase Patton Missouri yes yes
#78 Brian Brohm Louisville yes yes
#88 Drew Weatherford Florida St. yes yes
#97 Nick Patton Kansas St. yes yes
#89 Jake Christensen Iowa yes yes
#60 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee yes yes
#16 Ryan Perrilloux LSU no yes
#7 Mark Sanchez USC no no
#6 Matthew Stafford Georgia no no
#10 Mitch Mustain Arkansas arguably yes
#22 Tim Tebow Florida no YES
#54 Demetrius Jones Notre Dame who yes
#61 Jevan Snead Texas yes yes
#68 Jake Locker Washington no arguably
#80 Isiah Williams Illinois yes yes
#92 Josh Freeman Kansas St. no yes
#94 Jeremy Ricker Maryland yes yes
#1 Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame arguably YES
#4 Ryan Mallett Michigan no yes
#27 Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech yes yes
#28 Cameron Newton Florida no no
#44 Aaron Corp USC yes yes
#47 John Brantley Florida yes yes
#82 Mike Paulus N. Carolina yes yes
#90 Stephen Garcia South Carolina yes yes
#98 Willy Korn Clemson yes yes

so,

my analysis;

they are very poor at judging pocket passers.

They are decently good at judging dual threats

they tend to overvalue arm stregnth

thats all JUST the qb position, the star system by rivals at least is more accruate with DL and RB imo

How is Ryan mallet a nfl bust he was drafted to back up a top 10 nfl qb of all time.. Got his shot and Houston and was good.. Just a injury.. He'll be back starting next year.. Same for locker.. He plays well just always injured.. Dat doesn't make you a bust bro

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Plus scouting football at a young age is so much more of an in exact science compared to say basketball where u can tell from an early age who's better then his peers

So much of football is physical development after hs coaching etc that it's nearly impossible to guess if the players who are the best in their class at 17 will be so at 22

 

[Figdcotton]

The recruiting system like @Ed MOTHEREFFING G just said gauges raw talent and athletic ability pretty much. I'll give a personal anecdote from my school.

My junior year we had two top D1 recruited players. One was a 4 star recruit the other was a 3 star recruit. The 4 star was about 6'1 ran a 4.4 and was an overall athletic monster the 3 star was 5'9 maybe 5'10 a, 4.4 speed and athletic but played corner where a height like that is a huge disadvantage, but was a hard worker. Guess which one actually made an NFL practice squad? and guess which one barely played in college until his junior/senior year after transferring to a lower status D1 school?

Alot of 4 and 5 stars are able to ride off pure athletic ability but don't realy work hard and they get humbles quickly at the next level and of course even moreso at the highest level where everybody's athletic and unless your in the top 0.0001% of superhumans like chris johnson, you can't just really on that.

New day and era bro.. Now with all the camps and 7on7 and worldwide coverage of hs sports and recruiting you can't get by with just being 4.4 or 6'3... U gotta showcase it to even think you will be a 4 or 5 star.. Well at least out here in Cali

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

How is Ryan mallet a nfl bust he was drafted to back up a top 10 nfl qb of all time.. Got his shot and Houston and was good.. Just a injury.. He'll be back starting next year.. Same for locker.. He plays well just always injured.. Dat doesn't make you a bust bro

you answered your own question. He was the #4 overall recruit in america, selected by Michigan, which was easily the best QB place at the time [pro system and a senior QB graduating] and was drafted in the 3rd round as a backup to a permenant started...i mean...he is an arguable bust at least in this type of conversation. Jake Locker was a top ten pick and hasn't done anything

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

there have been way LESS qbs there too

Yep..are there qb's in the top 10 anymore? Maybe Jameis

 

[L&HH]

New day and era bro.. Now with all the camps and 7on7 and worldwide coverage of hs sports and recruiting you can't get by with just being 4.4 or 6'3... U gotta showcase it to even think you will be a 4 or 5 star.. Well at least out here in Cali

I'm only 22 and this happened in '09. I know what you're talking about, both these showed out at camps and 7 on 7s and things like that