No one from our generation played both sides of the fence better than Mariah Carey

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In the book Puddinhead Wilson by Mark Twain, An ex slave who has a white looking baby which looks just like massas' baby , one day switches the babys fooling massa into believing her baby is really his just so her baby can have a better life. Iceberg Slims novel Trick Baby is the story of a Black hustler who looks white and dwells in the white world. Law And Order even did an episode on a Caucasian looking Black Man who was able to fool everyone. But there is no story better then non fiction and I watched Mariah Carey play both sides with no issues. When Mariah Carey first came out she was considered Black to us. We claimed her and the elders had her in the same category as Vanessa Williams and Karyn White. On the flip side the pop world welcomed her image with open arms to the point her 3rd album sold over 30 Mil worldwide. . Mariah married a whiteman in the 90's and Black people were like "eh!" Pop had its soulful white looking princess in the 90's and the R&B was cool with whatever Mariah was doing And this is still playing out in 2018. Mariah literally has the complexion for the protection. Mariah Carey is what Rachel Dolezal wants to be.

Mariahs story is why I dismiss that nonsense talk about Drake being white. Black people were not dismissing Mariah as white in the early 90's like the trolls do with Drake in this decade. U ever notice, no one ever questions Mariahs Blackness like they do with Beyonce? U never hear, "whats Mariah doing for the Black community?" or "why is Mariah dying her hair to look like a white woman?"

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U ever notice, no one ever questions Mariahs Blackness like they do with Beyonce?

I think we sometime have short-term memories. People did question Mariah's blackness and authenticity. It was even well-known that Mariah did not even consider herself black growing up (although she didn't consider herself white either). She was on some, "I'm not black, I'm OJ" steez.
 

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Plenty of racially ambiguous or mixed pop stars effortlessly switched between being Black, White and Mixed and Black pop music to bland cac shyt

Michael Jackson physically and musically did this...
Prince musically did it...
Mariah Carey did it...

Now that I think about it...Drake is the only mixed race pop-star that ain't ever did that shyt...

Drake never made some incomprehensible pop music bullshyt that you were forced to like just because it was made by a Black megastar

Drake doesn't have a Black or White, he doesn't have a Girl Is Mine, he doesn't have a Raspberry Beret

Drake is a corny Canadian Black Jew that does ultra Black American pop music with some branches from the Carribbean

He isn't doing some Trap/RnB shyt and then start doing Young Dumb and Broke Khalid shyt...

Drake didn't crossover by making concessions to the majority White audience...

Drake pop audience came to him because he just intuitively make catchy shyt in an accessible format that has feminine sensibilities...
 

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Plenty of racially ambiguous or mixed pop stars effortlessly switched between being Black, White and Mixed and Black pop music to bland cac shyt

Michael Jackson physically and musically did this...
Prince musically did it...
Mariah Carey did it...

Now that I think about it...Drake is the only mixed race pop-star that ain't ever did that shyt...

Drake never made some incomprehensible pop music bullshyt that you were forced to like just because it was made by a Black megastar

Drake doesn't have a Black or White, he doesn't have a Girl Is Mine, he doesn't have a Raspberry Beret

Drake is a corny Canadian Black Jew that does ultra Black American pop music with some branches from the Carribbean

He isn't doing some Trap/RnB shyt and then start doing Young Dumb and Broke Khalid shyt...

Drake didn't crossover by making concessions to the majority White audience...

Drake pop audience came to him because he just intuitively make catchy shyt in an accessible format that has feminine sensibilities...


drake's overwhelming authenticity in this respect will be ignored. he doesn't have records with taylor swift like kenny and even my dude future. but let it be known, like pusha said, he's terrified of not being black enough. and that's actually why he can't make a classic.

speedin bullet 2 heaven is a 808s & heartbreak level classic. cudi can make something like that, cause while they'll question his "professional skill" as a musician, they'll never question his blackness. we often makes classic breaking those rules.

if drake strays from traditionally black music, and makes cookie cutter pop, he runs the risk of losing someone like me as a fan. idk if its necessarily his lack of blackness tho. kendrick lost me a long time ago.

idt drake needs to do the cookie cutter stuff tho. he's already the greatest pop star in the world without compromising his hip-hop sensibilities.
 

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drake's overwhelming authenticity in this respect will be ignored. he doesn't have records with taylor swift like kenny and even my dude future. but let it be known, like pusha said, he's terrified of not being black enough. and that's actually why he can't make a classic.

speedin bullet 2 heaven is a 808s & heartbreak level classic. cudi can make something like that, cause while they'll question his "professional skill" as a musician, they'll never question his blackness. we often makes classic breaking those rules.

if drake strays from traditionally black music, and makes cookie cutter pop, he runs the risk of losing someone like me as a fan. idk its necessarily his lack of blackness tho. kendrick lost me a long time ago.

idt drake needs to do the cookie cutter stuff tho. he's already the greatest pop star in the world without compromising his hip-hop sensibilities.

I don't think Drake is authentic at all...he is one of the most commercially minded Black stars that we ever seen. He's the Michael Jackson of this era.

Dude is just a fan that makes the music that he likes...and the music that he likes happens to be very commercially successful and pop oriented already and crossover ready...

So he doesn't have do the typical Hip Hop bullshyt of getting hot in the streets and then doing a song with a White female megastar when he's popular enough.

Drake is the White female megastar...

He'll go do a song with some hood rapper that got 5 million views off a one song on YouTube or some shyt...and rap about what the people extorting him do...

Then releasing all the sensitive emotional RnB centric shyt on his album.
 

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I don't think Drake is authentic at all..

Dude is just a fan that makes the music that he likes...and the music that he likes happens to be very commercially successful and pop oriented already

So he doesn't have do the typical Hip Hop bullshyt of getting hot in the streets and then doing a song with a White female megastar...

Drake just does the White female megastar...

He'll go do a song with some hood rapper that got 5 million views off a one song on YouTube or some shyt...and rap about what the people extorting him do...


i think you're confusing your opinion of he person with my analysis of his enterprise. if its not authentic, its as consumed as any rapper who gets bing in the streets:manny:
 

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i think you're confusing your opinion of he person with my analysis of his enterprise. if its not authentic, its as consumed as any rapper who gets bing in the streets:manny:

I am talking about Drake's enterprise...

It's not authentic....

He goes around absorbing the sounds and energy of lesser artists that are authentic...

The Caribbean shyt that he do isn't authentic...

The trap shyt he do isn't authentic...

That emo backpack rap woe is me and the RnB is the most authentic things he do....

An authentic artist to me is like a Prince


Only reason Drake ain't going around kissing the asses of White pop stars because his music is already crossover material...

Instead he kisses the asses of the street rappers that he got nothing in common with because Hip Hop is still street and trend oriented despite the Backpack Revolution...
 

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I think we sometime have short-term memories. People did question Mariah's blackness and authenticity. It was even well-known that Mariah did not even consider herself black growing up (although she didn't consider herself white either). She was on some, "I'm not black, I'm OJ" steez.

This. I'm a 90s kid and even I remember Mariah's lineage being questioned and doubted a lot. Her being fully accepted as a "black woman" is a relatively recent invention. As far as a lot of black people were concerned, she wasn't "black" but she had "soul" and therefore earned a seat at the table ala Teena Marie.

And it's not even that she was on some "I'm not black I'm OJ" type shyt" iirc, she just road the wave of being thoroughly mixed and 'racially ambiguous' way before it was a term in the modern lexicon. AFIK, in the late 80s and 90s, she was happily parading around as an AA/Venezuelan/Irish (or maybe German) mutt.
 

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I think we sometime have short-term memories. People did question Mariah's blackness and authenticity. It was even well-known that Mariah did not even consider herself black growing up (although she didn't consider herself white either). She was on some, "I'm not black, I'm OJ" steez.


No.

Thats not what I'm talking about. Everyone got that pressure back in the day...Paula Abdul had people thinking she was Black and when that pressure came it got to the point Paula Abdul made a press conference saying she wasn't Black. Mariah never did no shyt like that when the pressure came in her direction. I'm not talking about the pressure that comes when questioning an artists Blackness as to wether they consider themselves Black.....I'm talking about this standard of Blackness that Beyonce is currently held to that isn't shared with Mariah. In 2018 They do not question Mariahs Blackness at a standard like they currently do with Beyonce. Thats what I'm talking about.
 

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No.

Thats not what I'm talking about. Everyone got that pressure back in the day...Paula Abdul had people thinking she was Black and when that pressure came it got to the point Paula Abdul made a press conference saying she wasn't Black. Mariah never did no shyt like that when the pressure came in her direction. I'm not talking about the pressure that comes when questioning an artists Blackness as to wether they consider themselves Black.....I'm talking about this standard of Blackness that Beyonce is currently held to that isn't shared with Mariah. In 2018 They do not question Mariahs Blackness at a standard like they currently do with Beyonce. Thats what I'm talking about.
My guess is because mariah isn't currently in the public eye like that. How many albums has mariah dropped this decade vs beyonce?

Beyonce has been on a run so i can see why gets more scrutinized
 
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im sure there was plenty of race baiters on about mariah back n the day, they just didnt have the platform like social media to make it as prevalent and prolific as a passtime like it is now.

you would just be like, "hey girl look at mariah with the good hair (side note: that second pic in the op is hair goals) you know she married to a white dude, right?" ..."yeah girl she mixed tho so it makes sense" and it would just be in your circle and any "damage" is minimal. but now, the whole post in the op, with the book reference and pics to match as if its a jet magazine freelance piece, reaches thousands of people. back in the 90s there is no reason to do all that lol

#becausetheinternet
 
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