"Nobody Seen A Freshmen Like Me" -Bryce Underwood #15 Michigan Wolverines @ #18 Oklahoma Sooners

[Trav]

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I dont think they are. My boy has been battling this coaching both his son and a kid at GA. He said its an ongoing struggle to get these kids outta that shyt theyve been watching from Mahomes. you have to drill them not to do shyt

Same way, for better or worse, the new crop of up & coming players think they're Curry and be taking ill-advised shots, Kermit (plus a cpl others) has had that same effect on this new Gen of QBs coming into the game.

Some of these mfs footwork too

 

[papa pimp]

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I dont think they are. My boy has been battling this coaching both his son and a kid at GA. He said its an ongoing struggle to get these kids outta that shyt theyve been watching from Mahomes. you have to drill them not to do shyt

This is from someone whose kid gets the same instruction from Bryce's trainer:

My son was coached by Donovan Dooley so I have a sense what he is teaching and it's not just him. QB's historically have been trained to throw with proper technique at all times and making throws with feet properly placed. That is not the case anymore. With guys like Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes having so much success the training techniques have changed. QB's now spend more than half the time making throws that use varied arm angles and the body in different positions. What Bryce is doing is something he's trained to do and can do it at a high level.

With that said you always prefer he make his throws with the proper foot placement and proper technique so you want to encourage making the throw properly and at the correct timing.

Bryce is interesting to me. If you watch him he is a big guy but he shrinks himself some what because he drops his arm to his shoulder rather than over the top. But as long as his accuracy and Velocity aren't impacted it's not worth the fix.

And I'm sure its similar across America.

 

[mastermind]

Yes we have

 

[smitty22]

Their coaches are teaching them that.

It ain’t the coaches teaching them that it’s the coaches not fixing it.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Same way, for better or worse, the new crop of up & coming players think they're Curry and be taking ill-advised shots, Kermit (plus a cpl others) has had that same effect on this new Gen of QBs coming into the game.

Some of these mfs footwork too

This is from someone whose kid gets the same instruction from Bryce's trainer:



And I'm sure its similar across America.

It’s so hard dog. I’m training my son now and part of the problem is how these kids ingest sports today.

I have to explain to my boy over and over again, not to just look at the overall highlight and sometimes the best tackle, run, or throw is 5 yards and you have to watch it over and over and over again to figure out what it is they’re doing. But all these kids do are ingest Big highlights and not the minutia of the game.

I only send my son eight second clips of something and make him break down what someone is doing right. Things are starting to slow down for him now because we are having real football discussions on mechanics as a result, but this shyt is a battle

 

[DropTopDoc]

Smh at you playin' with my boi, but anyways, Day got cuz to the league---what else is he to do? What he did there is on him, & shyt, the cesspool of franchises that he played for that weren't exactly known for their QB development around the time he played for them. Skins were in QB hell for a reason. PIT been cheeks outside Ben for a reason. Sound like them mfs got development issues, not us.

You proving my point with Howard . You say he was a super senior throwing to really good WRs but then go on to refer to him losing his spot to a frosh . He was inconsistent there. He came here and got polished.

You doing all kinds of goal post moving, straw man theory arguing, disingenuous bulljive on this Sunday morning. Quite frankly, I think you're drunk. At 9 in the morning. And it disgusts me

Ok look if we are going to have a nuanced conversation on actual development, then we have to understand some good material come into programs and they shine, but college was their ceiling, and sometimes a guy just has it. Sometimes the surrounding cast makes a guy better, sometimes where you go (nfl wise) doesn’t help, and the lists go on. I think development is thrown around too loosely especially in here,

Haskins had it, but he never had to work for it, so when shyt got hectic he had little to fall back on, so did he develop… perhaps but minimal at best, i think him staying close to home didn’t not help like Charles Roger’s, we won’t ever know if him being traded would help so idk

Fields had a lot of physical gifts but his processing was too long even at osu, idk why they didn’t speed him up, and the bears did him no favors ever, he’s with the jets and i doubt he’s any better, I’m not going to throw shade on the new regime yet.

Stroud was going to make his own gravy just add water regardless of where he went

Howard benefited from coaching to tighten up some things for sure, but he also benefited from good wrs out wide. Outside the Michigan game and maybe the first Oregon game no one pressed his line. I think he was exactly what you needed but if he goes anywhere else even with “proven coaching” he doesn’t look as good, i lean more on he was going to make smart decisions given his experience, and play design had most targets wide open, and even if not wide open most passes even contested were at worst 60/40, i expect him to wash out the league as a career back up

 

[DropTopDoc]

So sensitive, yikes. Yall still got that L () but hope you slept off the anger and hurt.

Nope not til you buy me breakfast

 

[DropTopDoc]

Their coaches are teaching them that.

I doubt that, no coach teaches bad mechanics, but a coach can’t work with you hours on end, but like one guy said, your mechanics are what they are when the pressures on not shorts and t shirt.

 

[papa pimp]

I doubt that, no coach teaches bad mechanics, but a coach can’t work with you hours on end, but like one guy said, your mechanics are what they are when the pressures on not shorts and t shirt.

k

 

[Trav]

Ok look if we are going to have a nuanced conversation on actual development, then we have to understand some good material come into programs and they shine, but college was their ceiling, and sometimes a guy just has it. Sometimes the surrounding cast makes a guy better, sometimes where you go (nfl wise) doesn’t help, and the lists go on. I think development is thrown around too loosely especially in here,

Haskins had it, but he never had to work for it, so when shyt got hectic he had little to fall back on, so did he develop… perhaps but minimal at best, i think him staying close to home didn’t not help like Charles Roger’s, we won’t ever know if him being traded would help so idk

Fields had a lot of physical gifts but his processing was too long even at osu, idk why they didn’t speed him up, and the bears did him no favors ever, he’s with the jets and i doubt he’s any better, I’m not going to throw shade on the new regime yet.

Stroud was going to make his own gravy just add water regardless of where he went

Howard benefited from coaching to tighten up some things for sure, but he also benefited from good wrs out wide. Outside the Michigan game and maybe the first Oregon game no one pressed his line. I think he was exactly what you needed but if he goes anywhere else even with “proven coaching” he doesn’t look as good, i lean more on he was going to make smart decisions given his experience, and play design had most targets wide open, and even if not wide open most passes even contested were at worst 60/40, i expect him to wash out the league as a career back up

So you're just gonna continue to be disingenuous and basically state that Day gets no credit at all, lol. Cool, I'll help you.

Since cuz pulled up in 17':

Three Ohio State quarterbacks – Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields and C.J. Stroud (twice) – have been invited four times to New York City as Heisman Trophy finalists. No school has produced more Heisman Trophy finalists at quarterback than Ohio State in this eight-year span.

Buckeye quarterbacks have been named the Big Ten's Graham George Offensive Player of the Year five times.

The Big Ten's Griese-Breese Quarterback of the Year award has been presented six times to Buckeyes.

Ohio State quarterbacks have won two Chicago Football Silver Football awards, presented annually to the outstanding player in the Big Ten.

Buckeyes have led the Big Ten in passing in six of the last seven seasons

So you’re telling me four Heisman finalist QBs, five Big Ten Offensive POYs, six QB of the Year awards, two Silver Footballs, and leading the conference in passing basically every year since 2017 just… happened by accident? Lol. That’s development, breh.

Plenty of 4 and 5 mfs at other programs not seeing that kind of output. There's examples of other mfs having "Ferraris" at WR or good play callers/designers and not having that kind of output.

Lol no one from Tennessee, Texas or ND pressed his line? Stop, breh.

*And yes I know the TX game wasn't some kind of offensive explosion but he still completed 24-of-33 passes for 289 yards, one touchdown with a 90.1 QBR. Only time will tell what he does in the league by you're just projecting for now.

Shyt, for as bad as McCord looked, he had a season that prolly would've been the best from a QB in the last decade for y'all lol.

This some Juelz'ing if I ever seen it for you to try and discredit every single QB Day has had under him as QB Coach/OC/HC, and you've already started laying the groundwork to do the same thing with Sayin

 

[DropTopDoc]

So you're just gonna continue to be disingenuous and basically state that Day gets no credit at all, lol. Cool, I'll help you.

Since cuz pulled up in 17':



So you’re telling me four Heisman finalist QBs, five Big Ten Offensive POYs, six QB of the Year awards, two Silver Footballs, and leading the conference in passing basically every year since 2017 just… happened by accident? Lol. That’s development, breh.

Plenty of 4 and 5 mfs at other programs not seeing that kind of output. There's examples of other mfs having "Ferraris" at WR or good play callers/designers and not having that kind of output.

Lol no one from Tennessee, Texas or ND pressed his line? Stop, breh.

*And yes I know the TX game wasn't some kind of offensive explosion but he still completed 24-of-33 passes for 289 yards, one touchdown with a 90.1 QBR. Only time will tell what he does in the league by you're just projecting for now.

Shyt, for as bad as McCord looked, he had a season that prolly would've been the best from a QB in the last decade for y'all lol.

This some Juelz'ing if I ever seen it for you to try and discredit every single QB Day has had under him as QB Coach/OC/HC, and you've already started laying the groundwork to do the same thing with Sayin

Your whole premise ignores the things i pointed out, I’m not saying Day isn’t good, I’ve given him credit on here and on wax. I pointed out issues, and stated some nikkas was gon rock regardless, and the issues that plagued some was an issue in college, was still one in the nfl, do i think day ignored it… idk at some point it is what it is, coaches are there to win not teach you like that, i also said most of these guys weren’t seeing weekly heat.

The bottom line is, stats don’t equal development, qbs being better than most don’t equal development, having good weapons doesn’t equal development, not facing good teams is not development

Days good, but outside stroud the guys were good in the system Days system with good pieces around them

I forget what national championship it was but they had a cast with a bunch of coaches and my God the way Jimbo drew up shyt, called defenses out, Jimbo has a couple qbs under his belt but he’s also got a lot of misses, my point is i don’t think he’s not teaching, but some shyt gets lost in translation and his offense is complicated some of those same qbs in other systems might have thrived

 

[Piff Perkins]

Bruh….these young qbs and their inconsistent mechanical issues are getting criminal.

It's like these guys didn't do shyt this summer, I really don't get it. Especially Arch with all the resources in the world...Peyton never told that kid to stop side arming? Reminds me of kids who want to shoot like Steph but don't put the work in, so those errant 3s are just bad decisions.

 

[Trav]

Your whole premise ignores the things i pointed out, I’m not saying Day isn’t good, I’ve given him credit on here and on wax. I pointed out issues, and stated some nikkas was gon rock regardless, and the issues that plagued some was an issue in college, was still one in the nfl, do i think day ignored it… idk at some point it is what it is, coaches are there to win not teach you like that, i also said most of these guys weren’t seeing weekly heat.

The bottom line is, stats don’t equal development, qbs being better than most don’t equal development, having good weapons doesn’t equal development, not facing good teams is not development

Days good, but outside stroud the guys were good in the system Days system with good pieces around them

I forget what national championship it was but they had a cast with a bunch of coaches and my God the way Jimbo drew up shyt, called defenses out, Jimbo has a couple qbs under his belt but he’s also got a lot of misses, my point is i don’t think he’s not teaching, but some shyt gets lost in translation and his offense is complicated some of those same qbs in other systems might have thrived

I get what you're saying dawg, but the stats are a byproduct of the development to me.

Like the CJ quote I pulled, and other places he's touched on it, running Day's offense required deep scheme understanding by him...protections, real time answers + adjustments.

Then, this past season, you had Day and Chip literally creating an entire mechanics program for Howard. And Day would get on him about his footwork for why he would miss some throws throughout the season.

Even with Fields, who might be the weakest out of all of them (most would say) had his moments vs tough defenses like Clemson where being 'developed' shown thru of what his ceiling could be.

Idk what some of these dudes doing in the league, but again, there's a reason that they ass teams be picking at the top of the draft more often than not, including my own, which will hopefully change with Ward and Callahan. But, most of the time....somebody said it best recently....these orgs will fail their QBs before the QBs fail the orgs. There's a reason dudes like Baker, Geno, and even Sam

go on to have sum resurgence years.

But clearly, Day does enough on a week in and week out & season in + season out basis to bring these dudes along....across multiple skill sets at that. You don't have games like Fields vs Clemson, CJ vs UGA or Howard's playoff run without being developed imo.

 

[NYC Rebel]

It's like these guys didn't do shyt this summer, I really don't get it. Especially Arch with all the resources in the world...Peyton never told that kid to stop side arming? Reminds me of kids who want to shoot like Steph but don't put the work in, so those errant 3s are just bad decisions.

Unreal. Lets you know how major an issue it is.