Ocasio-Cortez could learn a thing or two about socialism from Trump

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(Mark Lennihan | Associated Press file photo) In this June 27, 2018, photo, Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez speaks to the media in New York, the day after her congressional primary upset over 10-term incumbent Joe Crowley. Ocasio-Cortez is now criticizing him for not getting his name off the ballot in the general election. Despite his loss in New York’s Democratic primary, Crowley’s name will still be on the ballot as the candidate of the lesser-known Working Families Party in November.
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By George F. Will | The Washington Post
· Published: 2 days ago
Updated: 2 days ago
Washington • For three months in 1917, Leon Trotsky lived in the Bronx, just south of the congressional district where Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently defeated a 10-term incumbent in a Democratic primary. Because she calls herself a democratic socialist, the word “socialism” is thrilling progressives who hanker to storm the Bastille, if only America had one. And the word has conservatives darkly anticipating the domestic equivalent of the Bolsheviks storming St. Petersburg’s Winter Palace 101 years ago, if there is an equivalent building in the eastern Bronx and northern Queens. Never mind that only about 16,000 voted for Ocasio-Cortez’s version of “Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!”

A more apt connection of current events to actual socialism was made by Sen. Ron Johnson, the Wisconsin Republican, when Donald Trump decided to validate the conservative axiom that government often is the disease for which it pretends to be the cure. When the president decided to give farmers a $12 billion bandage for the wound he inflicted on them with his splendid little (so far) trade war, and when other injured interests joined the clamor for comparable compensations, Johnson said, “This is becoming more and more like a Soviet type of economy here: Commissars deciding who’s going to be granted waivers, commissars in the administration figuring out how they’re going to sprinkle around benefits.”

Concerning Johnson’s observation, the Hoover Institution’s John H. Cochrane, who blogs as The Grumpy Economist, says actually, it’s worse than that: “It’s a darker system, which leads to crony capitalism.” Cochrane is just slightly wrong: Protectionism, and the promiscuous and capricious government interventions that inevitably accompany it, is, always and everywhere, crony capitalism. But he is spot on about the incompatibility of America’s new darker system and the rule of law:

“Everyone depends on the whim of the administration. Who gets tariff protection? On whim. But then you can apply for a waiver. Who gets those, on what basis? Now you can get subsidies. Who gets the subsidies? There is no law, no rule, no basis for any of this. If you think you deserve a waiver, on what basis do you sue to get one? Well, it sure can’t hurt not to be an outspoken critic of the administration when the tariffs, waivers and subsidies are being handed out on whim. This is a bipartisan danger. I was critical of the ACA (Obamacare) since so many businesses were asking for and getting waivers. I was critical of the Dodd-Frank Act since so much regulation and enforcement is discretionary. Keep your mouth shut and support the administration is good advice in both cases.”

Now do you see what Friedrich Hayek meant when he said that socialism puts a society on the road to serfdom? Protectionism — government coercion supplanting the voluntary transactions of markets in the allocation of wealth and opportunity — is socialism for the well connected. But, then, all socialism favors those adept at manipulating the state. As government expands its lawless power to reward and punish, the sphere of freedom contracts. People become wary and reticent lest they annoy those who wield the administrative state as a blunt instrument.

Tariffs are taxes, and presidents have the anti-constitutional power to unilaterally raise these taxes because Congress, in its last gasps as a legislature, gave away this power. What do the members retain? Their paychecks. Certainly not their dignity.

Noting that some Trump protectionism is rationalized as essential for “national security,” Cochrane, who clings to the quaint fiction that Congress still legislates, suggests a new law stipulating that such tariffs must be requested — and paid for — by the Defense Department: “Do we need steel mills so we can re-fight WWII? If so, put subsidized steel mills on the defense budget. If defense prefers to use the money for a new aircraft carrier rather than a steel mill, well, that’s their choice.” Actually, the Defense Department, unlike much of the rest of the government, has serious responsibilities and has not trafficked in “national security” nonsense about protectionism.

In 1932, three years into the terrifying Depression, the Socialist Party’s presidential candidate, Norman Thomas, received fewer votes (884,885) in the presidential election than the (913,693) Eugene Debs won in 1920 when, thanks to the wartime hysteria Woodrow Wilson fomented, he was in jail. Now, however, there is a Republican president who can teach Ocasio-Cortez a thing or two about the essence of socialism, which is 10-thumbed government picking winners and losers and advancing the politicization of everything.


George F. Will: Ocasio-Cortez could learn a thing or two about socialism from Trump


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you look at these people being branded about because they hate the current president (not the administration), and just laugh. It was 2006-2007 when all these guys got off the bush wagon and started their anti hilary again.

Who went to war? Who caused the economic collapse?

Cut taxes before the economy grows 4.1% politcobrehs.
 

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Her policies aren't subsidies or waivers to be handed out to a select few. It is free college for:
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Nice try tying Trump to socialism and AOC. lol

George Will is a misogynistic rape apologist. He just hates seeing a woman in power.


Article might as well be “Hey guys, NAZIS were socialists! So good luck with that! *tips fedora*”


Did ya'all read a different article than me? :gucci:


It was obviously an anti-Trump article. It didn't have anything to do with AOC, she was just a foil for his complaints about Trump's policies right now. Only the first paragraph mentions AOC and her actual policies aren't mentioned or criticized at all, every single bit of the rest of the essay is about Trump and Trump alone.
 

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Did ya'all read a different article than me? :gucci:


It was obviously an anti-Trump article. It didn't have anything to do with AOC, she was just a foil for his complaints about Trump's policies right now. Only the first paragraph mentions AOC and her actual policies aren't mentioned or criticized at all, every single bit of the rest of the essay is about Trump and Trump alone.
But presented under the guise his policies are socialism. It was unnecessary. If you want to complain about Trump just complain about Trump. No reason to mention AOC. :yeshrug:
 

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But presented under the guise his policies are socialism. It was unnecessary. If you want to complain about Trump just complain about Trump. No reason to mention AOC. :yeshrug:

The primary point was to expose the hypocrisy of right-wing Trump supporters who rail against AOC's socialism while Trump goes around doing things that are the actual worst-case scenarios for what the Trump supporters claim AOC will do.

George Will fans aren't gonna be running to AOC anytime soon. I think it's silly to complain about the extremely mild and vague strays that AOC catches when they literally won't affect a single vote for her at all.
 

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Did ya'all read a different article than me? :gucci:


It was obviously an anti-Trump article. It didn't have anything to do with AOC, she was just a foil for his complaints about Trump's policies right now. Only the first paragraph mentions AOC and her actual policies aren't mentioned or criticized at all, every single bit of the rest of the essay is about Trump and Trump alone.
The title of the piece is a direct shot at AOC and socialism.

It's tying Trump's freestyle haphazard manner of handling trade matters to socialism because its Trump as the state doing whatever he feels like and having to do this, that and the third to "correct" his fukkups. All about government shouldn't be involved in the economy. No surprise he's calling him socialist and mentioning the Soviet Union (appealing to the Russiagate liberals who act like Russia now is what Russia was then).

All of this is typical anti-Trump, anti-government, pro-free trade shyt to defend the status quo and private corporations doing as they please with no influence from the masses.

Then he puts a bow on it with the whole 3 years into the Depression shyt about the Socialist party receiving less votes than before as if there wasn't pressure on the inevitable president of one of the larger and more prominent parties from those socialists and as if he didn't appeal to the same folks as he became the most popular president ever.
 

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The title of the piece is a direct shot at AOC and socialism.

It's tying Trump's freestyle haphazard manner of handling trade matters to socialism because its Trump as the state doing whatever he feels like and having to do this, that and the third to "correct" his fukkups. All about government shouldn't be involved in the economy. No surprise he's calling him socialist and mentioning the Soviet Union (appealing to the Russiagate liberals who act like Russia now is what Russia was then).

All of this is typical anti-Trump, anti-government, pro-free trade shyt to defend the status quo and private corporations doing as they please with no influence from the masses.

Then he puts a bow on it with the whole 3 years into the Depression shyt about the Socialist party receiving less votes than before as if there wasn't pressure on the inevitable president of one of the larger and more prominent parties from those socialists and as if he didn't appeal to the same folks as he became the most popular president ever.

Did you read the title here or the title on the actual article?

The title on the actual article is "Our socialist president". It's not a shot at AOC at all, and the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph makes clear that his only concern in the piece is Trump, not AOC.

And what Trump is doing IS akin to what the USSR did. Tying Trump to the Soviet Union isn't unfair at all in that regard.

I don't think Will is pro-status quo. He's grown into a fairly principled libertarian - anti-surveillance, anti-indefinite detention, anti-death penalty, path to citizenship for illegals. He even wants to restore Glass-Steagall and break up the "too big to fail" banks. He isn't just anti-Trump, before Trump he was anti-Gingrich, anti-Palin, and even opposed Bush on a lot of issues.

I'm never going to be a George Will fan because I'm not a libertarian. But I just think it's silly to call out a libertarian for not being a fan of socialism. If he had written an anti-AOC screed, then sure, go at him. But this is an anti-Trump screed, and all of his rationales for being anti-Trump are justified, so the mere fact that he casually drops AOC's name in the first paragraph before moving on to his real target is an unproductive thing to throw a fit about.

I'm a big proponent of applauding people as they move in the right direction. Conservative commentators criticizing Bush with justified criticism is a good thing. Ignoring the entire critique of Bush in order to complain that he briefly implied that he doesn't agree with AOC's policies is really missing the forest for the trees.
 
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