Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[MoneyTron]

I subscribe to Bitecofer’s negative partisanship argument for why any D candidate would have been able to consolidate the tent but there would be unique challenges to each. Like with Sanders and suburbanites. But ultimately it’s a referendum on Trump.

Like I said, he might have been able to do it, but it would've been much more difficult. I also find it extremely hard to wrap my head around being able to move Bernie towards compromising on any of his positions the way Biden has if he were the nominee.

I think it’s more about engaging the voters who haven’t been catered to. Everyone knows Latino voters require attention and an economic agenda especially right now is what’s needed. That’s the hat tip Sanders has been trying to give.

I think this is being blown way up over nothing though. Everyone wants to win and Sanders wants Biden foot on neck it’s obvious. Cause he’s terrified of the aftermath if it’s narrow.

Aren't we all?

I get that he's trying to highlight some weaknesses. Great. It's just unnecessary to me and just feeds into more of the "Bernie should've been nominee, corrupt DNC, Dems in disarray" political horseshoe shyt we've been trying to avoid the media grabbing ahold of since April.

 

[FAH1223]

Like I said, he might have been able to do it, but it would've been much more difficult. I also find it extremely hard to wrap my head around being able to move Bernie towards compromising on any of his positions the way Biden has if he were the nominee.


Aren't we all?

I get that he's trying to highlight some weaknesses. Great. It's just unnecessary to me and just feeds into more of the "Bernie should've been nominee, corrupt DNC, Dems in disarray" political horseshoe shyt we've been trying to avoid the media grabbing ahold of since April.

The media clearly wants a Dems in Disarray narrative. Another 2016 relic

It’s click baity instead of covering Sanders townhall with Michigan leaders where the LT Gov said he’s lost 23 people in his life to Covid and that it’s Trump’s fault

 

[the next guy]

 

[THE MACHINE]

Bernie with the deep psychology

Letting those on the fence moderate republicans know it's safe to come over because Joe is a centrist. Time to run up the score on fat boy.


Maybe one day a far leftie can win

 

[MoneyTron]

The media clearly wants a Dems in Disarray narrative. Another 2016 relic

It’s click baity instead of covering Sanders townhall with Michigan leaders where the LT Gov said he’s lost 23 people in his life to Covid and that it’s Trump’s fault

I agree, I just would rather not give them the ammo.

 

[The axe murderer]

 

[mastermind]

I don't understand why you all are getting so fukking freaked out by this.

They don’t like Bernie because Obama and Hillary told them not to like progressive policies.

If Biden is elected and the progressives start demanding policies, watch how quickly they shift To “the left wants another Trump as president.”

 

[MoneyTron]

They don’t like Bernie because Obama and Hillary told them not to like progressive policies.

fukk outta here.

You think people can't make their own opinions?

 

[mastermind]

fukk outta here.

You think people can't make their own opinions?

Then why don’t you like progressive policies? Why don’t you like free healthcare? Low cost to free college tuition? Taxing the wealthy and corporations what they owe?

If you are a marginalized person, there is no reason to be against these things unless you are Obama or an Ellen who have won.

 

[John Reena]

They don’t like Bernie because Obama and Hillary told them not to like progressive policies.

If Biden is elected and the progressives start demanding policies, watch how quickly they shift To “the left wants another Trump as president.”

Ppl don’t like progressive policies because they are pipe dreams that will not work in the real world. We don’t need Obama to tell us what to like like Bernie does for progressives.

 

[MoneyTron]

Then why don’t you like progressive policies? Why don’t you like free healthcare? Low cost to free college tuition? Taxing the wealthy and corporations what they owe?

If you are a marginalized person, there is no reason to be against these things unless you are Obama or an Ellen who have won.

I don't hate the policies in a vacuum. I don't think many people do. I think some of them are good ideas.

However, I find some of the policies and views espoused by progressives on domestic issues and foreign relations don't align with some of my values. I find some of them to extremely idealist, unrealistic, and sometimes ignorant of how this country operates. It is what it is. I just don't find myself agreeing with progressives enough to call myself a progressive.


On another note, progressives also have a messaging problem. Many of them seem to a have similar idea to the far right in that a revolution will solve all of our problems. I don't agree. The system can work and I think much of the American public thinks similarly.

 

[Robbie3000]

This is why Bernie's ceiling is a Senator. He doesn't know how to really win over a Country's populace to win in the Primaries because he doesn't understand the true pulse of the country; we all want UHC, Free College, Clean Energy. However it's not just policy itself, but understanding Americans.

His heart is good, but he could never understand how to win the Presidential long-game. What he did though will have positive effects long-term, but he isn't going to be the person to spearhead the movement.

You are right.

Bernie’s message would have won the day if he was a young handsome dude and he called himself an FDR Democrat instead of a Socialist.

An old white curmudgeon was not going to sell revolutionary change. Americans are too dumb, shallow and afraid of change. Americans need to be marketed(manipulated) into doing what’s politically good for them.

 

[Piff Perkins]

"Defund the police" tells you everything you need to know about leftists and their inability to message, defend, or win. They should probably stick to M4A because that's about all they have going for them.

Biden will definitely face off with progressives (not leftists, who won't be seated at the table) if he wins, just as Obama did at times. I'm gonna just hope and believe that his camp isn't stupid enough to think austerity is the answer. They have to be bold, right away. We need a 3T stimulus with direct payments to Americans - not just a one month thing, but multiple months - as well as infrastructure spending and state bailouts. We need a public option added to Obamacare. And we probably need some type of child care policy/help. Those items are probably the most important domestic issues relating to fixing the economy during this pandemic. Other things like a new voting rights act are important too and should be first term priorities, but remember: it's rare for presidents to do a lot of shyt in two years. They typically focus on a couple items.

Ending the filibuster could allow Biden to tackle more than 2-3 issues btw. He has to be bold. Democrats have to literally fix this shyt in 4 years. There can be no half assing, no deficit fukkery, no quarter given to disingenuous republicans. Fix shyt, make shyt better, and then go into 2024 with Harris ready to take over.

 

[MushroomX]

You are right.

Bernie’s message would have won the day if he was a young handsome dude and he called himself an FDR Democrat instead of a Socialist.

An old white curmudgeon was not going to sell revolutionary change. Americans are too dumb, shallow and afraid of change. Americans need to be marketed(manipulated) into doing what’s politically good for them.

Pretty much. The goal is to WIN the Presidency first, and then execute your plan. Sanders maybe thought the country was ready for further left ideas, plus while I don't he was racist, his idea of 'All-for-Everyone' sounds a bit tone deaf to a degree... white people are still treated more than minorities, so how could you suddenly convince people was going to get a equal share?

As I said, Bernie is a good guy, with a good heart, but he lacked that understanding you can't preach to everyone with the same message and have the same effect in people's hearts.

 

[the cac mamba]

Then why don’t you like progressive policies? Why don’t you like free healthcare? Low cost to free college tuition? Taxing the wealthy and corporations what they owe?

If you are a marginalized person, there is no reason to be against these things unless you are Obama or an Ellen who have won.

breh you cant just act like people dont like them, but they're as easy as implementing them as it looks on paper. there ARE drawbacks if you were to implement some of this stuff

"why dont you like free healthcare"? bernie sanders is not some magic genie who can snap his fingers and healthcare becomes better and faster and cheaper and there arent any negatives