Official Coli Incarceration and Prison Thread...

[murksiderock]

The only thread I found bordering this discussion is one where the OP was exposed for lying, so I'm setting out to start one from and for guys who know what they're talking about...

Inspiration of this thread is a)a place to vent, I'm 12½ years removed from my bid and 7 years removed from a real jail run, but it's hard to shake a lot of shyt; b)coworker put me up on these YouTube ex-con videos two weeks ago and hearing alot of shyt that is familiar; and c)this can turn into a place to congregate for posters who have done time but finding it difficult to cope with the free world again, and give brothers who have succeeded an opportunity to connect on some level and help those struggling brothers...

This thread will also, in theory, be able to clear up the contrasts between jails and different levels of prison, as well as misconceptions on incarceration in general...

Just an idea and thought exercise I've had and we'll see how it works out!

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

Great thread idea

 

[murksiderock]

Lifting some quotes from that old thread where I guess OP was frauding, just to help me frame the direction of this thread...

@Serious @horse. kills @Nuke Dukem and a few other's I can't remember wanted me to do a thread like this,to inform people about Jail and Prison,which I've been to both,not wearing it as a badge of honor,but it is what it is,and I can inform yall about the facts and myths,while other's can share their experience's or ask questions if need be.

I did 6 years in prison,few months in county,so I did enough to know alot about everything.

AND TO YOU fukkBOYS,DON'T COME IN HERE fukkING THIS THREAD UP,TAKE THAT shyt ELSEWHERE

A few topics I'll share a little about,an will go deeper into if anyone wants to know:

1. Rape does happen,but it's very rare,because there are so many people open to being gay,that it's enough of em running around in there to where,nobody will just rape you just because,basically if you get raped,you wanted it.

2.Yes you can get big and strong as fukk in prison just off their 3 meals a day and a little commisarry,some joints had good food,some joints were horrible,you got 3 meals a day and the calorie total for all 3 meals,I believe totaled up to about 2,600,a couple of noodles and fish,you'd easily get 3,000+ calories a day,the workouts in there are very extreme,which is why some cats come home so big.

3.Prison/Jail is very violent,fights happen everyday literally,stabbings are common,but you are guaranteed to see a fist fight everyday.

4. Softies don't last,no you won't be killed or raped,but your going to get your ass whooped and robbed a nice amount of times if you a bytch.

5. 80% of fights start through sports,if you don't wanna fight,don't play basketball or football.

A bunch of things I can explain,but I'll wait to see what's asked.

Mind your business basically,but every manlet aint a bytch,and every brolic nikka in there can't fight.

Most short cats get super diesel they for sure have a chip on their shoulder,but long as you chilled man,you not gonna have too many problems,but some nikkas think they tough and in there you'll find out just how tough you really are.........or how tough you aren't

Don't gamble is 100% correct
Don't steal
Don't borrow
Mind your business

You go against any of these,you gonna have a real problem on your hands

You got me fukked up,I'ma Monster my nikka

I know this is the guy they said was lying, some shyt he spoke on is accurate. What I'll say is the following:

•you're not anybody's "monster" if you only got in 5 fights during a 6-year bid...

As a contrast, I only had a 3½ year sentence but did that entire time in a max level prison, which is the highest security prisons there are, the ones with the largest reputations for violence and the dudes with boatloads of time; got in 14-15 fights during my 40-month bid, and I spent about 19-20 of my 40 months in somebody's hole somewhere (used to remember the exact amounts of days abd months), which means those 13-14 of those fights came in the half time I was in population--->I did get in one rumble while I was in the hole...

Got in like another 4-5 county fights outside my bid, and altogether total I did 59 months before my 26th birthday, so thats 18-20 fights in a 5-year total incarceration where I spent 21-22 months of that time in the box somewhere. I'm not saying this necessarily made me a monster but it's a very different image than a guy who called himself one and stated he only got in 5 fights in 6 years and never had a banger...

•you're not guaranteed to see a fight every day, all prisons aren't the same and even on close custody/max/level 4 yards you won't see it everyday because all blocks not ringing the same. It's a little more nuanced than cats would think...

•"80% of fights" can most certainly not be attributed to sports. Most fights are attributable to someone feeling disrespected and disrespect can be felt from anything. Dudes fight about any fukking thing...

•prison definitely draws the line with how tough you are though, thats a fact. Certainly if you were at a max yard...

•most cats in general tryna get brolic, it aint a short man thing. I'm 5'7, was a teenage 5'6 130-140 pound cat when I ran my bid down and I never was a workout warrior. Used to clown nikkas for a stretch for all that warrior shyt, clowning dudes for being afraid of each other...

1. Do male prisoners have sex with female gaurds often?
2. Did you get involved in any fights?
3. Did any gangs try to recruit you?
4. How big is drug use in prison?
5. How crooked are gaurds on average?

1. There are brothers knocking off CO's but it's a small number. Most of us weren't that lucky...
2. Fights spoken of above, feel like I'm forgetting two or so but I remember almost all of them, when they happened, and why...
3. I was a gamgbanger already but yes i was recruited, prison gangs all about the numbers. Plus I went to prison in North Carolina and I'm not originally from here so the line I was pushing was foreign and the cause of a few issues...
4. Really depends on the yard. In my experience every prison has them, but the proliferation of them isn't the same systemwide...
5. Close to half of them do shyt that should get their careers snatched at best, get themselves incarcerated at worse. They not all like that, not even close but there's alot who are...

Do ever get used to the smell and the fact that another nikka is taking a shyt right in front of you on your own cell

Yes you do, it isn't like you have a choice lmao...

 

[murksiderock]

@Originalgangsta317 what were you in for? how long were you on whatever caper got you in there before you got hemmed up and put away? You got advice to the young man to help them avoid that?

I wanted to ask how long you were doing whatever got you locked up before you got caught

But if it was guns then I think I know the answer

What was life like coming outta prison after so long?

So for me, I went to prison for "kickdoors"---->burglaries and home invasions. Only time of my life I was ever on that and only did it for a few weeks...

I was a teenager when I went up, and new to NC, but my street rep to the extent that I had one as a foreign guy at that age, wasnt as a jacker. Mostly known as a small hustling ass California-tied Blood...

I've said on here several times in the past that I didn't really go on a real street run until my release from prison, so in my 20s. I was in the field as a youngster but not on any demonstrable scale...

I went to prison for shyt that wasn't even my bag and shyt I never did ever again...

Giving advice to younger brothers is difficult because young dudes not really listening to you. Maybe the most sage advice is that once you're in the system it's hard to rid yourself of it, but dudes who are outside at the 24 and younger age range are not registering that this shyt impacts their lives in more ways than a few...

I generally tell people however many years you did, it takes that many months to reacclimate to society. I got out September 28, 2009, after "only" 3½ years, so I was ingrained back into the world by mid-January 2010, I felt comfortable again. Make no mistake i was a little institutionalized though, seeing and being amongst the same environment and personalities for that long gets built into you...

Did child predators and those who commit sexual crimes were punished the most?

How do they know what crime you comitted?

What if u want to be left alone, will they say still fukk with you?

There's dudes who are predators that are protected by other nikkas because they have money and power and reputation or they are tough guys. Dudes definitely not just open season on any and every Chester; also most of the dudes with those charges hang in the same circles...

Most dudes are coming from a county or another prison where someone knows them so you know what dudes are in their for. If dudes try to lie to cover up some shyt---->because some will and do---->you can get this info from a CO easily or from someone on the outside...

At max yards if youre trying to be left alone you gotta show that you need to be left alone. Nobody is just leaving you alone because youre a nice guy or because you say so...

Is it true you never supposed to ask another inmate what they in for? Or is that some made up shyt?

It's some hit or miss shyt that isn't applied to everyone equally. And at any rate 99% of dudes in prison are already convicted and will talk about, or you'll hear about, their cases anyway...

 

[cheek100]

Can’t speak on the penitentiary but a few months in county got me right whatever u doing on the outside ain’t worth no jail fuk that.
Good thread to get niccas heads together might avoid a trip.

 

[murksiderock]

I saw a episode of Lockup that was based on the county jail near Atlanta. Old heads (over 30) were scared cause all the 18-19 yr olds were coming in there and forming gangs and basically running the jail
In jail do you see that transition of power as "OGs" get too old to fight and young wild nikkas come in there trying to take over?

Not a transition of power necessarily but if you've been bidding for a long time, you notice the generational shifts...

Not reading through all this but I usually can co-sign @Originalgangsta317 posts about this punkass prison system. I'd read it but honestly, theres so much shyt Ive been able to forget about that I'd like to keep it that way lol. I even forgot my numbers already. Brehs thats been gone know how hard that is to do. Thank you Jesus :yeschild:

Man I'll never forget my numbers, they call it "OPUS" in NC. I've tried to forget alot, and I have forgotten some things--->there are random thoughts that pop in my head and I can't remember the details---->bit I remember a whole lot from it and I wonder if that's because I bidded during the most essential years of a young man's life, when he's growing into manhood. I spent those years in and outta jail and prison and they shaped me pretty tough...

How were your cellmates? What type of relationship y'all had? Was y'all cool? Did they put you with a cac?

What's the best meals you had in jail?

Is basketball in jail really as bad as it's portrayed in movies?

How hard was it to find a job after being in prison?

Are jail showers the same as in the movies?

I only had cellmates in jail. I did my bid at two prisons, both were single cells. In NC close/max custody is single cell, though both had minimum camps attached, which is dormitory style in NC...

I had a few cellmates in county, like one or two white boys but the rest black. One of them I beat up because he wouldn't clean the cell, had another one who was shook of me after we got in an argument. No issues with the rest of them...

Can't recall best meals but that peanut butter cake they used to have is the best cake I've had in my fukking life lol...

Yeah most dudes arent really athletic, basketball is ass from a skill standpoint lmao...

It was so hard to find a job after prison that its still a struggle to this day!

The showers in CCJ (Fayetteville NC) and ACCF (Albany NY) were stalls. Most the stalls in Alb had doors and most the ones in Fayetteville didn't. The showers at Meck (Charlotte) were open bay like at prison...

Can't remember other jails showers cause I wasn't in them long enough...

Prison showers in NC are open bay, just sprinklers, about 5-6 per block and a wide area, no doors or stalls. Thats how it as at the maxes anyway...

 

[murksiderock]

the thing is though....this honor only is noted or even cared about for people that even knows what that mean.....the average cat in the mall walking around, if you told them I was "no punk in a level 4" would fall on death ears...they would be like "nikka, I was a monster in level 8 of Pac man nikka....what"

point being is that "honor" means very little anywhere else and may be a little hollow and irrelevant in much of life outside..

This is a fact! I can't lie, I do have a sense of pride in going up so young and surviving as an active participant in shyt, but that shyt isn't important in my regular life...

breh only the weak join factions n shyt when u on lock..

u already gotta deal with co's and the big wigs givin u orders..y in the hell u wanna join a group of ya equals and take orders from them..

goal is ..to get in get out with no problems


hey breh...

they aint filipinos..

if i psssssst..at a broad..n go yo quiero lamenta el gato to her.. and its afterwards... she a ese to me breh...

100%!

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Otisville lock in

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Can't recall best meals but that peanut butter cake they used to have is the best cake I've had in my fukking life lol...
..

I heard about the peanut butter cake yet never had it..

but we had a old head... who we called Mississippi... he made a mean ass caramel cake...with a honey bun

and u give that nikka some cane sugar creamy peanut butter and graham crackers...any kind of chocolate..

i swear\ u would think u had a reeses ball vs the cup

 

[murksiderock]

I heard about the peanut butter cake yet never had it..

but we had a old head... who we called Mississippi... he made a mean ass caramel cake...with a honey bun

and u give that nikka some cane sugar creamy peanut butter and graham crackers...any kind of chocolate..

i swear\ u would think u had a reeses ball vs the cup

Man to this day it's the best cake I've ever had. Don't know how they make it but that shyt was Love!

I can't really remember no other meals lmao...

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Man to this day it's the best cake I've ever had. Don't know how they make it but that shyt was Love!

I can't really remember no other meals lmao...

only thing i remember was the reeses... because it was so damn simple

sugar
graham crackers
peanut butter

crush the graham crackers into crumbs..add the sugar n peanut butter...mix it...

create a ball melt some chocolate..n bam..

my kids love that shyt lol

 

[murksiderock]

Just to clarify some jargon too, "close custody", "maximum security", and "Level 4" are the same thing, all meaning the highest level of security in a state penal system. I don't know why states choose to use so many different names but they are the same thing...

NC calls it's max prisons "close custody". There's 12 throughout the state and it's undergone some restructuring since I did my time, I don't think there was that many back in the 2000s, I think there was like 9. But to my recollection all the max yards are wild, and took turns as which one was the roughest, like one year might be this one, another year may be a different one, but they all were active. So I feel comfortable saying that if you did time on a max yard you were in a chaotic environment at least to some degree...

I heard that mediums are mostly chill, I do recall a handful of them having reputations as wild yards but that was only like two or three. And most minimum yards were chill but there's a difference in activity on all these levels because of the privileges associated with them. I always heard there was more free flow of drugs and actual cash on minimums and mediums than max because there was less restriction, dudes could move around more freely. I also heard that it was less violence on those yards because dudes are not trying to get demoted to prisons with more institutional control...

It's prison, all of them have some degree of danger and all are wack because you're locking down at night's end. But most of the crazy violence and shyt you hear comes from max yards...

I don't know how they do it in other states but in NC you get an initial custody level based on your street charge + county discipline record. I think I was initially classed as medium, my burglary conviction in the second degree was only a Class G felony, and 1st Degree would still only be a Class D. To my recollection Class A and B offenses are automatically categorized as close custody, which means you're headed to max yards once they ship you regardless of county record. Anything less than that, they take your criminal history and county record into account with how they class you...

This was basically my first offense and I was 17, I'd had some misdemeanor arrests that pled out to community service and probation. My first felony was a stolen car at 16 that I did 93 days and got time served for. So I had no strong record to class me higher, nor a wild felony...

But at that time all dudes younger than their 19th birthday were having intake at Western Youth/high rise, so thats where my reception was, I went there two months before my 18th birthday (4/4/07). They closed that shyt 9 years ago so I don't know where they send teenagers for reception now. But it was 16 floors and your custody level determined what floor they put you on. So I was medium but because you had dudes from all over the state, who are younger than 19, sent up with DOC sentences of varying lengths, The Rise had cats of all custody classes...

The 16-floor building was medium and max, the minimum dudes at Western had a couple dorms in camps next door. NC is weird, because they called it "youth" but the minimum spread had grown men of all ages, you'd interact with them at laundry or on elevators or whatever, Lotta those dudes at minimum had jobs in the building. To my memory most of the guys in the building were teenagers like myself, and in practice once you turned 19 thru started shipping dudes off across the state----->sometimes sooner if they felt like it, and in rare scenarios there was "old" ass 23 and 24 year olds in the building, but only a few and the word was those dudes, while being on general population at Western, were PC inmates being protected from hitting real yards for some reason or other...

There was a stigma for any nikka who made it to 21 and was still there. It may not have been entirely accurate but that was the stigma, if you weren't a bytch you should been trying to get up outta WYI soon as you could, because it was in the mountains and 99% of dudes aren't from anywhere near there. So if you were there in the building into your 20s you must've been a snitch or some other bad shyt on you, that was the prevailing sentiment...

But generally speaking, The Rise was viewed as "gladiator school" for NCDOC, prepped nikkas for big biy prisons. And it was pretty rough and wild. You used to get custody reviews every 6 months if you were medium, so I could have gotten a review in October 2007 that potentially took me to minimum, which at the time if you went in to WYI at medium and were promoted, they started you at their minimum camp before you got the option of going somewhere else. So I probably woulda had to do 6 months there meaning I coulda got outta there in Spring '08 headed to a minimum closer to Fayetteville where my relatives were...

But I got my first infraction like 3 weeks after I got there, then another two a week after that. I got sent to short-term seg which was the 14th floor, with 90 days, and if I remember correctly they downgraded me to close/max for that. For gang affiliation, vandalism, and being in an unauthorized area. This was early May '07 so I was due to come down in August, but I think around July 20, day may be off a day or two, I got in a fight with a CO which led to me getting beat the fukk up by like 6 of them, which added 6 months to my 90 days. I got out a few days early, think they released me to the modified 13th floor on January 23, 2008, but having the assault on officer on record as well as rioting and gang participation meant they had to get me the fukk up outta there, so thats what they did, they sent me to Foothills, which was an adult max a mile away, on Valentines Day '08. And I remember this because two dudes my age from Fayetteville I knew from county shipped with me, I never saw these dudes at Western because I spent 9 of my 10 months there in the hole. But the sent 5 or 6 of us to Foothills on Valentines Day and three of us were from Fayetteville and knew each other from county...

 

[murksiderock]

This is also a good time to talk about the contrasts between street rep and jail/prison rep, because of those two guys who went to Foothills with me who were also from Fayetteville...

Some guys are built for the streets but are nobodies or soft incarcerated. Some guys are animals on the inside but were nobodies on the outside or scary. Of course you have guys that are active in both environments, and you have guys as well who end up imprisoned based on circumstance but arent cut for the jails or the streets...

So there's alot of nuance here all over the place. Just because a guy did 40 years, or however much time, doesn't mean he was making noise upstate, and just because a guy has a certain conviction doesn't mean he's this problem on the inside. Just like just because a guy on the streets has shot someone doesn't make him a gangsta, just because you sold some work before don't make you a trap star. These things are not exclusive to each other in and of themselves...

Those two guys from Fayetteville who shipped with me were 18 and 19 at the time, as I was also 18. Neither of us knew each other from the street, but of course in local county jails you learn about dudes street reps, and you learn about dudes in jail and prison too...

Valentines Day '08, I was 20 months into a 3½ for burglaries 3 days after my 17th birthday; one of the brothers was 25 months into an 8 year bid for kidnapping a month after he turned 16 (paroled at 7 years on the dot); the other brother was 15 months into a 10-year bid for robbing and shooting someone when he was 17 (paroled at 8 years but went back up on a violation 4 months later)...

We were all "from" different parts of Fayetteville. The brother with the kidnapping charge was from New Jersey but ended up in Fayetteville in high school. The only reputation that followed him into jail from the streets is people saw him fight a time or two at school and said he could get busy. He had no street rep, he told me himself he'd never touched no drugs before, wasn't active with guns, nothing. Inside this dude became a beast though, something about doing time worked for him. Became known as a knockout king, name was a bell ringer in county for young dudes, and that increased in prison. He was built like Mike Tyson, around 5'10/5'11 so not really tall, and "big" in the sense he was swoll but not really ripped or cut, and this was even before he got on the prison weights and workouts. He was in prison before me and was the first name dudes asked you if you knew if you said you were from Fayetteville, and when we got to Foothills he was handling older nikkas over there too. And the thing is he wasn't a crazy troublemaker, he wasn't running around frontlining beefs but if there was a dispute with another inmate he was a fight first, ask questions later type. That word on him spread quick, he wasn't even a line pusher, just had a short fuse and was a knockout artist...

During the time I bidded with him I don't recall him going to jail (the hole/box) for anything serious, he went like twice for like 15-20 day charges. Though after I got out, he was still on his bid until January 2013, he was an active participant in a gang riot at Lanesboro once I was gone (Lanesboro was arguably the wildest max, they shut it down in 2019 and turned it into a women's prison). So when I knew him inside he wasn't in major shyt but he was in that riot later. I knew of a number of fights he was in, and I only knew of one guy in county when he was 16 who beat him; a guy in prison from Asheville who beat him, that shyt was hyped as a heavyweight fight and they said he ran with dude but old boy from Asheville got control of him by the end; and there was a guy from Durham who, in an unrelated incident me and him were trying to line with each other but never happened. Old boy from Durham, muhfukkas said he lost to homie but he got a ton of praise for running with him, everybody thought my homeboy was gonna KO him but they said he held his own with fam the whole way thru, he just couldn't overpower him...

That's 3 fights of many I knew he was involved in, most dudes he fought he KO'd or finished bad in short time. But he had no street rep, he wasn't known as a gangsta or that kind of nikka outside, he was just a dude built for doing time...

The brother with the robbery and shooting charge grew up back and forth between Fayetteville and Northern Florida. More people knew him than me or the other guy because he spent a larger share of his adolescence in Fayetteville. At that time he wasn't really seen as a g either, but he was holding guns at a young age and of course he shot that guy he robbed. He generally introduced himself in the jails as a live wire but no one I knew thought of him that way, there was some sketchy shyt on him surrounding gang affiliation and his willingness to fight dudes. I did see him beat up this older white man in the hole in county in '06, white man was a 40-something racist who was telling fam he wasn't a ******, to be proud of his whiteness (both of homie's parents were "mixed", his mom was white and Puerto Rican and his dad was white/black, he had black folk hair but was really fair skinned, to the extent when his hair was short you could take him as a white guy)...

 

[murksiderock]

So he beat up that old white man for being racist but alot of other shyt followed him. I didn't see him while at Western but I did hear when he got there in late '07, he was getting marked out downstairs. I'm in the hole at the time but dudes would be in and out and info passes in prisons, dudes were like "you know ____ from Fayetteville"? Dudes were handling him...

That day we shipped to Foothills I'll never forget him telling me and the other guy from Fayetteville, that we needed to stick together because we all from Fayetteville. Not to let anyone fukk with us. This high yella nikka was shook, while he was talking his teeth were chattering and he had the shook look and all. Of course we all got sent to three different blocks at Foothills, but he and I were on the same unit so we saw each other at yard calls and other movements. He got beat up a few times there too, a couple older dudes asked me about him on the yard and he was shook at yard call once asking me who was asking about him and if I was going to bat for him...

One thing I'll say is while he got beat up and jumped alot, and while there were accounts he turned down some fades, he never "checked off" a block into PC, he never tried to get to another block, and he never snitched on nikkas who were jumping him and running his shyt. Not once. Granted, he was on his bid 5½ years after I finished mine so I don't know much about the rest of it, but fam faced the music when dudes checked him. He couldn't really fight but he didnt run from nikkas and wasn't a snitch and I could respect that...

He wasn't viewed as a gangsta inside because the toughest nikkas not gonna let dudes talk to them greasy, take they shyt, or jump them repeatedly. The toughest dudes are playing with weapons and picking off cats that are hunting them like that but this illustrates the different dynamics of prison, everyone isn't a predator regardless of charges. This guy was upstate on a 10-year bid for shooting and robbing a guy, he is just one of many guys with violent charges who it doesn't actually correlate to how they got down in general...

The irony in all this is years later we all interacted outside, and I've shared a story about them before. Kidnapping Guy got out in January 2013 and stayed off the streets free and clear for a minute, then started fukking with me unloading my trees in Virginia in 2016, and connected with Shooter Guy...

Shooter Guy got out in February 2015, he did over 8 on his dime but violated parole 6 months later and went back away for 9 months, then came back out in June 2016. Kidnapper brought this dude to the apartment my baby mom was staying in Fayetteville in Summer '16, which pissed me off. I'd already crossed paths with Shooter in 2015 after his initial release, then once he was first out in '16. Didn't want nothing to do with him and he knew it so bringing Shooter to my spot didn't sit right with me...

Anyway Shooter and Kidnapper, I didn't know until later, we're kicking it together robbing and shooting nikkas, and selling light packs of dog food. There's a series of stories associated with this but these two ended up locked up in Pensacola in late '16 for selling H, with outstanding warrants in NC for robberies and shootings. As it stands Shooter is doing 26 years for a 2nd degree murder in '16, currently at Foothills again, right now his projected release is 2038. Been on this bid since November 2016, and from the time he was arrested in November '06 for robbing and shooting that guy, he's spent 11 months of his life free; if he makes his '38 release, he would have spent 31 of the last 32 years locked up...

Kidnapper got 9 years as an accessory to the same murder in '16, scheduled to get out in April 2023. He's at a minimum which means he's gonna get out after 6½ years on this. He was out for nearly 4 years after his first bid buy when he gets out next April he would have done 13½ of the last 17 years incarcerated, dating to his kidnapping arrest in January 2006...

Long-winded but the point of this was to illustrate personality types and some if contrasts between being street tough and prison tough...

 

[skylove4]

good interesting thread