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This thread is intended to provide tips/guidance/advice for students applying to 2 year or 4 year undergraduate institutions.

The idea is to try and provide useful and practical information about the college admissions process that will hopefully assist those applying to schools, writing essays, seeking recommendation letters etc.

This is not intended to be a place where we shame or ridicule the choices of young (and not so young) people trying to figure it all out.

Let's support, uplift and help each other master the often convoluted and confusing college admissions process where misinformation abounds.
 

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So I will try and get this started.

If you would like to attend college but you are concerned about your SAT/ACT scores, here is a list of over 750 schools where the SAT/ACT test is optional and supposedly deemphasized in the admissions process.

I have no opinion good or bad to offer of any of these schools personally. I am simply providing it as a potentially useful reference in case this is your situation.

http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional
 

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So I will try and get this started.

If you would like to attend college but you are concerned about your SAT/ACT scores, here is a list of over 750 schools where the SAT/ACT test is optional and supposedly deemphasized in the admissions process.

I have no opinion good or bad to offer of any of these schools personally. I am simply providing it as a potentially useful reference in case this is your situation.

http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional

I like some of the colleges on here. But I cringe at the for profit colleges on this list. Also, you probably have to take a placement test for math and english if you don't have SAT/ACT scores.
 

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I like some of the colleges on here. But I cringe at the for profit colleges on this list. Also, you probably have to take a placement test for math and english if you don't have SAT/ACT scores.

Cool. Can you or someone else with knowledge about for-profit institutions detail some of the costs/benefits that exist with these schools?
 

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Just got back from the gym, have to shower and change so I can meet some friends. I'll try to stop through this thread late tonight or tomorrow and drop some thoughts. Very happy to take direct questions from anyone applying to college or who has someone close to them applying.
 

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Cool. Can you or someone else with knowledge about for-profit institutions detail some of the costs/benefits that exist with these schools?

Usually they're more expensive, sometimes may not be accredited, and 99% of the time the credits from that school will not carry over if you decide to transfer to a state/private university that's accredited in the state.
 

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Okay, finally getting the chance to sit down and fukk with this thread.

I'm not sure the best way to approach this topic, because it's multifaceted as hell. What I'm leaning toward is explaining each step of the process, the advantages and disadvantages that different groups have, what - if any - way someone can manipulate the system to correct for disadvantage... And of course I'm hoping anyone applying to an elite college/university, anyone who has family or someone close to him applying in the near future, or anyone simply interested in better understanding the process will ask questions so this can be more of a conversation than anything else.

Here's what I'm bringing to the table, so we're clear: I worked as a dean of admissions for a number of years at one of the best colleges/universities in the nation. As such I read thousands upon thousands of files, attended countless (mostly pointless) conferences about admissions, traveled extensively to private and public high schools across the country, read everything I could about the process at elite schools and contrasted what I read with my personal experiences. So I have a very informed perspective.

However...

I don't know much about admissions outside of elite institutions of higher learning. I can't tell you much about how the admissions offices work at public universities, junior colleges, community colleges, for-profit colleges, etc.

The college admissions process for elite institutions makes a liar out of everyone. I was fortunate enough to have one wonderful colleague who was generally brilliant, extremely observant, critical in his thinking, and who did the sort of constant self-sorting most individuals are either too lazy, too afraid, or too alienated from their own selves to do. He was my saving grace - we spent hours over the course of my tenure in the office discussing every aspect of the process, from the specific ways we handled/mishandled it on our end, to the more general, grand social realities and ramifications the process clarified for us along the way. I have very strong and very informed opinions about the entire thing, and I have no idea how to discuss the process without letting my insights color that discussion.

Elite college admissions is, at its root, a story of class warfare. In a society like ours, where a relatively tiny percentage of citizens run the show in most meaningful ways, the term "class warfare" has been distorted and misapplied to the grumblings of the general public in response to the actual day-to-day insidious forms of class warfare that have been in place for so long we accept them simply as par for the course.

If anyone has questions, post them. Otherwise I'm going to saute some onions and garlic, throw some fresh okra in the pan, add diced tomatoes and cajun seasoning, let that ho simmer for half an hour while I whip up a batch of rice, enjoy my home-cooked lunch, and then start posting about admissions.
 

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Since imma senior in college now (time flies :wow::whew::to:) im just gonna say what I tell my cousins and what I would tell myself.

Don't start the college process once you become a senior. You should have and ACT/SAT score under your belt already before then. It ain't gotta be perfect, but that way, you know where you need to I,prove before its too late. And don't start tryna get all serious with your grades then either.

Get cool with some teachers, preferably the english teacher. he or she is the one that can attest to your analytical skill better that a math and science teacher because in english, whether its literature or language, you're not just regurgitating back information. If you get cool with them and show an effort in that class like asking questions, they'll be happy to write a letter of recommendation.

don't be that trouble child in the classroom. Teachers talk, so by the time you step in that class the first day your teachers already know what's up with you. when teachers have a preconceived notion about you it's already too late.

Get cool with the senior advisor/guidance counselor also. This person is the one that is going to be a big ally in the process. She is the one mailing your transcripts and giving fee waivers for tests. If you get cool with this person, then your stuff gets more of a priority. They would also advise you with your schedule on which classes to take, so get to know this person before your senior year.

Go to college fairs. Most time during your senior year your school sets up a trip for y'all to go to, and dress business casual. Hit up the schools you have as your first choice first, and get the list of the requirements for admissions. Most of the time you already heading down the right path but see what scores they want and GPA and whatnot. Then go to the other schools and repeat.

Go on college visits like the summer before your senior year. If you had taken the ACT/SAT, the colleges you asked your scores to be reported to will start hitting you up and letting you know when these tours are available. Its a nice lil road trip, plus you get to see what college is about and also whether its where you wanna spend the next four years.

Get you some extracurricular activities but don't go overboard. Basically just find something that'll have you at school past dismissal a couple of times weeks.

Don't go to college because that's what you think or was told is the next step should be out of high school. If you ain't the college type save your money and DON'T GO. College is an investment, time and money wise
 
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I graduated from undergrad. My advice for highschool students..

1. Keep your gpa as high as you can.
2. Get involved/list any extra curricular you can (sports, clubs, volunteer work etc.)
3. If you can, take some AP courses if they're offered by your school.
4.You should start preparing for the sat/act a while before you take it. You can find tutors and web resources and what not.

Just these things alone will get you into a decent public/state university. I don't know what to tell you if you're trying to go to Harvard or MIT and places like that however.
 

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Okay, finally getting the chance to sit down and fukk with this thread.

I'm not sure the best way to approach this topic, because it's multifaceted as hell. What I'm leaning toward is explaining each step of the process, the advantages and disadvantages that different groups have, what - if any - way someone can manipulate the system to correct for disadvantage... And of course I'm hoping anyone applying to an elite college/university, anyone who has family or someone close to him applying in the near future, or anyone simply interested in better understanding the process will ask questions so this can be more of a conversation than anything else.

Here's what I'm bringing to the table, so we're clear: I worked as a dean of admissions for a number of years at one of the best colleges/universities in the nation. As such I read thousands upon thousands of files, attended countless (mostly pointless) conferences about admissions, traveled extensively to private and public high schools across the country, read everything I could about the process at elite schools and contrasted what I read with my personal experiences. So I have a very informed perspective.

However...

I don't know much about admissions outside of elite institutions of higher learning. I can't tell you much about how the admissions offices work at public universities, junior colleges, community colleges, for-profit colleges, etc.

The college admissions process for elite institutions makes a liar out of everyone. I was fortunate enough to have one wonderful colleague who was generally brilliant, extremely observant, critical in his thinking, and who did the sort of constant self-sorting most individuals are either too lazy, too afraid, or too alienated from their own selves to do. He was my saving grace - we spent hours over the course of my tenure in the office discussing every aspect of the process, from the specific ways we handled/mishandled it on our end, to the more general, grand social realities and ramifications the process clarified for us along the way. I have very strong and very informed opinions about the entire thing, and I have no idea how to discuss the process without letting my insights color that discussion.

Elite college admissions is, at its root, a story of class warfare. In a society like ours, where a relatively tiny percentage of citizens run the show in most meaningful ways, the term "class warfare" has been distorted and misapplied to the grumblings of the general public in response to the actual day-to-day insidious forms of class warfare that have been in place for so long we accept them simply as par for the course.

If anyone has questions, post them. Otherwise I'm going to saute some onions and garlic, throw some fresh okra in the pan, add diced tomatoes and cajun seasoning, let that ho simmer for half an hour while I whip up a batch of rice, enjoy my home-cooked lunch, and then start posting about admissions.
Interesting. Anyhow, I'll probably get around to adding this to the important links at the top. Or you could do it Mr. Supermod *cough*I get to wear that staff sash but mainly I just enjoy shytting on Kanye *cough* Terrible cold these days :mjpls:
 

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Interesting. Anyhow, I'll probably get around to adding this to the important links at the top. Or you could do it Mr. Supermod *cough*I get to wear that staff sash but mainly I just enjoy shytting on Kanye *cough* Terrible cold these days :mjpls:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm not really a Supermod, I don't even mod any particular forum, just help out as the two BKs see fit. And I try not to ever step on a forum mod's toes by upping or deleting shyt in his forum unless it's an emergency situation. I was going to post more, but it'd be better if there were questions to answer. Otherwise I'd just be up in here typing long missives about how the system of credentializing masks mediocrity rather than establish trustworthy standards, and Early Decision is a firm of affirmative action for wealthy whites, while ED2 is the biggest joke in admissions, and how prestigious high schools adjust their profiles to make it impossible to weed out their shyt students.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm not really a Supermod, I don't even mod any particular forum, just help out as the two BKs see fit. And I try not to ever step on a forum mod's toes by upping or deleting shyt in his forum unless it's an emergency situation. I was going to post more, but it'd be better if there were questions to answer. Otherwise I'd just be up in here typing long missives about how the system of credentializing masks mediocrity rather than establish trustworthy standards, and Early Decision is a firm of affirmative action for wealthy whites, while ED2 is the biggest joke in admissions, and how prestigious high schools adjust their profiles to make it impossible to weed out their shyt students.
:manny:

Guys feel free to update, delete and link the opening salvo as you see fit. What ever helps the young Coli peeps achieve their dreams I support. I just tried to get this going. Unfortunately, I don't have much to add in the way of resources.
 
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